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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/09/new-lenses-in-january-cr1/

There are rumors of a non-DO 400mm f/4L in the works. I think there might be a lot of demand for something like this.

Any ideas on price, weight and dimensions this would likely be? Perhaps something like the 300 f/2.8 but a bit longer and thinner? Price perhaps in the 5-6,000 range?



Sep 26, 2012 at 02:59 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


$8,000-10,000.

The amount of optical materials normally dictate the price.

I think it is more wishful thinking than anything with the 200-400/4 shipping soon.



Sep 26, 2012 at 03:04 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


I would be interested in an updated 300mm f/4.0

I have tried the 300mm f/2.8 II and found it too heavy for what I want.

I love my 300mm f/4.0 IS, and would be very interested in an updated version if the image quality is even better than my version.

Jim



Sep 26, 2012 at 04:05 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


facedodge wrote:
There are rumors of a non-DO 400mm f/4L in the works. I think there might be a lot of demand for something like this.



That lens has been rumoured since before the 400 DO was announced... I wouldn't hold my breath.



Sep 26, 2012 at 04:10 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


I think the demand for a 400/f4 is people assuming it would be priced closer to a 300/4 than a 500/4, not people actually wanting a 400/f4, which isn't that fast for sports, and isn't that long for wildlife. In reality, wouldn't this 400/f4 be much closer in price to the 500/4 than the 300/4? If that's the case, is it gonna be that popular?


Sep 26, 2012 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


If it's as good as the 300 2.8 II with extenders, that's pretty interesting.


Sep 26, 2012 at 04:19 PM
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Kisutch wrote:
I think the demand for a 400/f4 is people assuming it would be priced closer to a 300/4 than a 500/4, not people actually wanting a 400/f4, which isn't that fast for sports, and isn't that long for wildlife. In reality, wouldn't this 400/f4 be much closer in price to the 500/4 than the 300/4? If that's the case, is it gonna be that popular?


Exactly. In the wildlife photographer case, a 500/5.6 design would be much more likely to be effective in terms of cost and lighter weight than a 400/4 would be. In the sports photographer's case, I guess there is not much hope beyond a 200/2.8.
(if one excepts Sigma, and older Canon lenses).



Sep 26, 2012 at 04:56 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


I think there would be a place for the 400 f/4 in daytime sports.

At daytime you can easily use f/4 ISO 200 and 1/2500... One more stop in ISO negates the advantage of f/2.8 vs f/4 and we've gained many stops of usable ISO especially in full frame over the years.



Sep 26, 2012 at 05:15 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


If they make a 400 f4, it'll be expensive. They have never rushed to produce popular options which undercut their top-end lenses and save customers money. Why is there no 400 f5.6 IS?
The best we can hope for is that the planned 100-400 revamp is a good one, reasonably priced and they don't choose to hobble it in some way to protect super-tele sales.
If they hadn't built a 400DO, I don't think we'd have got a 400f4 (non-DO) instead. The 400 DO was built as a techical tour-de-force at a premium price. It filled a specific gap in the lineup with a model which had a built-in excuse for premium pricing so as to avoid reducing profits from high-end longer lenses.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a 400DO II at some point. Even lower weight, 4 stop IS and improved optics could make it pretty compelling but again it will probably attract a premium so as to put it in 500 f4 II territory.



Sep 26, 2012 at 05:23 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


With the unicorn lens that is the 200-400 (I guess it will EVENTUALLY be released) I just can't see a spot in canons line up for a 400/4 .
Lets face it it won't be cheap in a budget lens sense(even when talking about long lenses) . My guess would put it over the cost of the DO anyway and between the price of the 300/2.8 and the 500/4

Now I can see a place for a new 300/4 IS if they could get it somewhere between 1.5k - 2k . I can also see a place for a 500/5.6 IS if it could be sold for 2.5k (less would be nice)

All would still be big investments for MOST people , but would still be in the realms of possible . Whereas the current crop of mk2 big whites have got out of reach of lots of users.

Lets face it for lots of people that new sigma 120-300/2.8 with a couple of TC's could look very tempting. The current one looks no slouch and is under 2k here .



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


I agree it could have some use for sports, and not just daytime events. With a camera like the 1DX's great high ISO capability, f/4 is not a significant liability, at least in decently illuminated venues. With Canon's move to FF, there are likely 300/2.8 users who now find it too short. A dedicated 400/4 should be optically better, with faster AF. My guess is it would be priced about 10-15% above the 300/2.8 and would offer a 'budget' option to the 200-400.

But it would still be a niche market, for sure. That said, even though I own a 400 IS v.I, if the supposed 400/4 is not considerably larger than the 400 DO, it could be very appealing. However, it would probably be $2K more than I could get for my lens, so switching really wouldn't be economically sensible.

As to 400/4 vs. 500/5.6... I think it depends on where Canon management sees the priority. Is it news/sports/PJ type applications, or wildlife photography. One argument could be that 400/4 + 1.4x TC is a solution (though of course unpopular here) as it would appease one market and perhaps be 'good enough' for a significant percentage of the other. But a 500/5.6 likely would not appeal to the former, and of course you can't add a 'negative TC,' thus resulting in a more limited appeal. It's interesting to see though, that Pentax recently announced a 560 f/5.6...



Sep 26, 2012 at 08:43 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


I can't see Canon injecting yet another 400mm lens into an already overcrowded lens category, i.e.:

400 f/5.6
100-400
400 f/2.8
400 DO
200-400



Sep 26, 2012 at 09:05 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


rscheffler wrote:
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interesting to see though, that Pentax recently announced a 560 f/5.6...



Yeah interesting lens. But have you seen the price $7000
It's on pre order here from WEX for 6k !!! That's mad money , I don't think EVEN canon can think up numbers like that for a 500/5.6
If your a pentax shooter I know there are less options , but a sigma 500/4.5 costs way less than that (3800) .

I think something like a 500/5.6 would have to sell for 2.5k (maybe 3k at a push ) to have much appeal .



Sep 26, 2012 at 09:10 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


400/4 would be like the 200/2 but a bit longer, same size element needed.


Sep 26, 2012 at 09:12 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


A new 400/f4 would be priced like the new 300 F2.8, 7000 USD. Don't know if there is room for another 400 unless something else is dropped.

Side bar...While replacing the felt ring on my much abused 100-400 Canon NJ realigned the the lens. It thinks its a prime now and performing like one as regards sharpness.



Sep 26, 2012 at 09:47 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


JimboCin, I agree with you. I could go for an updated 300mm F4.
The 300mm F4 is an excellent lens I can hand hold on hikes.

or an updated 400mm F5.6 with IS




Sep 26, 2012 at 10:05 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


facedodge wrote:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/09/new-lenses-in-january-cr1/

There are rumors of a non-DO 400mm f/4L in the works. I think there might be a lot of demand for something like this.

Any ideas on price, weight and dimensions this would likely be? Perhaps something like the 300 f/2.8 but a bit longer and thinner? Price perhaps in the 5-6,000 range?


It should be a bit lighter than a 300 f/2.8 (100mm front element vs 108mm front element), but clearly longer. I would think price would be same as 300 f/2.8 as well so around $6.5-7K. I'd sell my 300 for a 400 f/4 and swap my 500 for a 600.



Sep 26, 2012 at 10:48 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


PetKal wrote:
I can't see Canon injecting yet another 400mm lens into an already overcrowded lens category, i.e.:

400 f/5.6
100-400
400 f/2.8
400 DO
200-400


I'd suspect they'd drop the 400 DO. If Canon won't do it I hope Sigma release one as part of their new sport line-up.



Sep 26, 2012 at 10:49 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


Here's the photo of the 400/4 non-DO prototype and the 400/4 DO.

5-inch by 13 to 14-inch. More than 6lbs. Should sell for between $8,000-10,000.

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0009/doe/doe06.jpg

Edited on Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 AM · View previous versions



Sep 27, 2012 at 12:43 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


PetKal wrote:
I can't see Canon injecting yet another 400mm lens into an already overcrowded lens category, i.e.:

400 f/5.6
100-400
400 f/2.8
400 DO
200-400


and
300 2.8 IS + 1.4x TC

and even 300 f/4 IS + 1.4x TC



Sep 27, 2012 at 12:53 AM
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