There is a video guy in my area that shoots with a t3i and nifty fifty on a monopod. I have worked the same wedding as him a few times referred him a few more. Never gets in the way, but produces good work.
MattSepeta wrote:
There is a video guy in my area that shoots with a t3i and nifty fifty on a monopod. I have worked the same wedding as him a few times referred him a few more. Never gets in the way, but produces good work.
It's all about the skills of the shooter. He obviously KNOWS how to shoot and get the best results. He doesn't need to be 3 feet away at all times. That's great.
Actually shooting with DSLR is a LOT more expensive considering all the lenses and all the accessories, it's also a lot more complicated and that is why they are more in your way but in my opinion definitely worth it.
We're talking about low end kit camera one lens shooters, not PROFESSIONALS who have invested MONEY into their equipment. There is a difference. Professionals work together. Amateurs don't care.
marti.g3 wrote:
We're talking about low end kit camera one lens shooters, not PROFESSIONALS who have invested MONEY into their equipment. There is a difference. Professionals work together. Amateurs don't care.
I thought we were talking top wedding videographers in the industry like Godfather films? People that needed to buy more expensive (and terribad) cameras? The quality of DSLRs is a helluva lot better than the panasonic cams or the giant news cams that are often seen in use by videographers. Granted, they're more expensive. But the sensor inside isn't capable of what DSLRs are used for. I tried to explain to you (and people reading this thread) in very diplomatic terms, as I've been on both sides. You're the one that said I was making excuses when I was simply telling it like it is. I was speaking for professional cinematographers, not terrible videographers using outdated technology.
And in reference to your "why don't they buy more expensive cameras?" comment, the only thing that will produce higher end results in quality are the Red series cameras. And they're even MORE obtrusive for photographers to work around.
Lauren Carson wrote:
I thought we were talking top wedding videographers in the industry like Godfather films? People that needed to buy more expensive (and terribad) cameras? The quality of DSLRs is a helluva lot better than the panasonic cams or the giant news cams that are often seen in use by videographers. Granted, they're more expensive. But the sensor inside isn't capable of what DSLRs are used for. I tried to explain to you (and people reading this thread) in very diplomatic terms, as I've been on both sides. You're the one that said I was making excuses when I was simply telling it like it is. I was speaking for professional cinematographers, not terrible videographers using outdated technology.
And in reference to your "why don't they buy more expensive cameras?" comment, the only thing that will produce higher end results in quality are the Red series cameras. And they're even MORE obtrusive for photographers to work around. ...Show more →
In all fairness, canon c300 would be a great choice for wedding videographers. that being said, i don't think it would change much in the way of shooting.
i feel like if couples want good wedding video it should be explained to them that it's going to make simultaneously getting good photography much more difficult, and visa versa to an extent-- it is what it is. I've never actually shot a wedding with professional videographers but I would imagine it would involve major compromise on at least one end
SeanP wrote:
In all fairness, canon c300 would be a great choice for wedding videographers. that being said, i don't think it would change much in the way of shooting.
i feel like if couples want good wedding video it should be explained to them that it's going to make simultaneously getting good photography much more difficult, and visa versa to an extent-- it is what it is. I've never actually shot a wedding with professional videographers but I would imagine it would involve major compromise on at least one end
Yeah you're correct, forgot about the c300! right again about the same style of shooting.
Ive shot plenty of weddings where I am battling for position with 3 photographers who are in a semi circle around the bride shooting the same shot. It goes both ways.
3catsinky wrote:
Ive shot plenty of weddings where I am battling for position with 3 photographers who are in a semi circle around the bride shooting the same shot. It goes both ways.
And were they, (in your opinion) professionals or just fauxtographers masquerading ?
WE all know who is professional and who isn't. Any idiot, whether they be a vidiot or tog
who blocks guests, other vendors and just doesn't give a shit about anyone but themselves
is selfish and rude. I've been in this industry too long to worry about that crap anymore.
My contract protects me in situations like that.
" oh im sorry, we didnt get your kiss because the three vidiots your hired totally blocked the shot"............"see here it is, see those vidiots"........"remember when we talked and I advised youto hire professionals and not wannabes"............'well, here's the result"............." I guess you could talk to them and ask why they were blocking everyone's view including your guests".........
Tell me about it brother. I'm always suprised and jackasses that defend this idiots and tell the complaining person that they just have to "be more professional" because a real pro could handle the situation.
What many don't understand is that these dips do not care if the are in the way or ruin the couple photography.
Please post some photo so I can add it to my collection. Yup, I have a collection of these images that I let couples see so they will know my concern when they hire a videographer.
teebat wrote:
Tell me about it brother. I'm always suprised and jackasses that defend this idiots and tell the complaining person that they just have to "be more professional" because a real pro could handle the situation.
What many don't understand is that these dips do not care if the are in the way or ruin the couple photography.
Please post some photo so I can add it to my collection. Yup, I have a collection of these images that I let couples see so they will know my concern when they hire a videographer.
Yeah I don't understand that either. Why should we have to jump over hurdles and bend over backwards to kiss their asses when they don't care. Even when I was a rookie shooting weddings I was trained NOT to block the video guys or the guests. Be as unobtrusive as possible. That's why I have and use a 70-200 2.8 lens. I guess not having the proper gear is an excuse to get up close . Really, if they need to see the nose hairs or hear every whisper, then they need to get a professional wireless system and not depend on their DSLR's built in mic. That's garbage.
I chalk it up to just a sign of the times. Manners and caring are out the window for selfish reasons.
It goes both ways. Imagine being a videographer and shooting a wedding where the photographers style is to use a 14mm the entire ceremony because its her style. Network with people you enjoy working with and things work out a lot better. We give $100 off to brides for going with our preferred photographer vendors, because we work great together.
It goes both ways. Imagine being a videographer and shooting a wedding where the photographers style is to use a 14mm the entire ceremony because its her style. Network with people you enjoy working with and things work out a lot better. We give $100 off to brides for going with our preferred photographer vendors, because we work great together.
Ok..SHE does not look like a "professional" photographer. Who the hell dresses like that, even to a beach wedding. She looks like straight out of Craigslist. If the client hires someone like that to save some money then it's on their heads, not ours.
14mm for the entire ceremony? I can't think of one person (photographer) I know worth their salt that would do that. Wide lenses for overall shots and zooms for the close ups. I don't see how anyone has the balls to get up in front of the guests to get their shots.
Of course we have all seen how the video guy can't plant himself on the stage with a camera on a tripod.
marti.g3 wrote:
Ok..SHE does not look like a "professional" photographer. Who the hell dresses like that, even to a beach wedding. She looks like straight out of Craigslist. If the client hires someone like that to save some money then it's on their heads, not ours.
marti.g3 wrote:
Ok..SHE does not look like a "professional" photographer. Who the hell dresses like that, even to a beach wedding. She looks like straight out of Craigslist. If the client hires someone like that to save some money then it's on their heads, not ours.
It was a destination wedding. But that's the point, the same video guys you are talking about are the craigslist type, and guys just starting out without a 70-200mm. I think in general, most full time video guys know to give the lead to photographers. And that's how I start my gigs, introduce myself and let them know that they are priority and that if I'm in the way, to let me know. That diffuses the tension and things usually go smooth.
This is ridiculous. The good wedding cinematographers want to tell a story just like the good wedding
pj shooters. Still shooters think they're the freakin bees knees. If you communicate with the video
peeps there shouldn't be a problem. Unless they suck. Or you suck. I can't believe this thread is 3
pages long.
If I was shooting wedding video, I would really rarely have anything longer than 85 on my camera. Only
for the ceremony. Getting ready? I would shoot it wide. I would be close, far, in the middle. I would
try to talk to the photographer about stepping out after or before they got 'the shot' for a second so
I could get a 4 second slide, or something. I have certainly worked really well with some guys, and I
don't mind as long as no one is a dick.
I'm only putting half a brain into this right now...because I'm sitting on a beach in the dominican republic.
iunknown2008 wrote:
It was a destination wedding. But that's the point, the same video guys you are talking about are the craigslist type, and guys just starting out without a 70-200mm. I think in general, most full time video guys know to give the lead to photographers. And that's how I start my gigs, introduce myself and let them know that they are priority and that if I'm in the way, to let me know. That diffuses the tension and things usually go smooth.
Im with you on that. Newbies on both sides, photogs and vidiots out there who charge crap, have no experience in wedding etiquette or professionalism and think that they can just do whatever they want are the problem.
I personally know a couple of lowballers and their attitude is "hey, im not high end, I do this part time and I don't really care what people think".
jprezant wrote:
This is ridiculous. The good wedding cinematographers want to tell a story just like the good wedding
pj shooters. Still shooters think they're the freakin bees knees. If you communicate with the video
peeps there shouldn't be a problem. Unless they suck. Or you suck. I can't believe this thread is 3
pages long.
If I was shooting wedding video, I would really rarely have anything longer than 85 on my camera. Only
for the ceremony. Getting ready? I would shoot it wide. I would be close, far, in the middle. I would
try to talk to the photographer about stepping out after or before they got 'the shot' for a second so
I could get a 4 second slide, or something. I have certainly worked really well with some guys, and I
don't mind as long as no one is a dick.
I'm only putting half a brain into this right now...because I'm sitting on a beach in the dominican republic.
From your post you sound like a dick. Everyone knows that vidiots are only hired IF their is any money left in the budget after all of the IMPORTANT vendors are hired.....
Actually, what Marti describes is about how I shoot, 24, 50 and 85, all on monopod, some slider, some glide cam.
Ill wait till the togs are done with setups and then shoot last. Ceremonies, 70-200 all the way from the back,
and 80-200 from the side. the crew I shot with, the main chick was pro, but admitted she didn't shoot with videographers a lot, so she had no camera presence. her sister didnt look, and then there was the intern guy who was all up in the business with a 50mm. Gear is cheap, so everyone thinks they can shoot a wedding.
jprezant wrote:
This is ridiculous. The good wedding cinematographers want to tell a story just like the good wedding
pj shooters. Still shooters think they're the freakin bees knees. If you communicate with the video
peeps there shouldn't be a problem. Unless they suck. Or you suck. I can't believe this thread is 3
pages long.
If I was shooting wedding video, I would really rarely have anything longer than 85 on my camera. Only
for the ceremony. Getting ready? I would shoot it wide. I would be close, far, in the middle. I would
try to talk to the photographer about stepping out after or before they got 'the shot' for a second so
I could get a 4 second slide, or something. I have certainly worked really well with some guys, and I
don't mind as long as no one is a dick....Show more →
That is the problem, though...you would do it this way and I would do it this way and the real pro's that I have worked with DO do it this way. The newer guys on the block we have had to deal with get in close and stay there. We talk to them, and they act like they understand and are going to work with us. But when the moments arrive, they just go right back in and stay just a few feet away the entire time. This thread (for me, at least) has less to do with videographers and their specific lens choice and more to do with how some will park themselves a few feet from the subject, stay there, and ignore the compromise that he and I agreed upon so that we could both get the shots we need...it is about many's inability, unwillingness, or ignorance as to working as a team with the photographer.
I go out of my way to make other vendors' lives easy, because I want my couple to have the best experience and resulting product from their wedding possible. I genuinely care about my couples and their families very much, so I work extra hard to not let things detract from my work or from others' work. I work hard to stay out of others' shots and communicate with them to make sure we are on the same page and working together. When there is a videographer who is of a like mind, it is amazing...we fit together hand in glove and together we produce killer work. One of our best weddings ever we had a videographer right with us the entire time, and never was it an issue. The problem is those who don't carry that same level of concern for the couple...their primary goal is their art or getting the shots exactly as they think they should be. Most often, though, they just have no interest or concept of working as a team. They only see the wedding through the live view of their 5DII or 60D
