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 p.15 #8 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling | |
jj_glos wrote:
You seem to miss that it is the entry level FF. Crop users upgrading are upgrading for the FF capability, expecting a rival feature set to the top end crop offerings isn't realistic. Canon want users wanting that performance to buy a 5D3. I do agree though, I would much rather see an all cross point AF on the spec sheet. I'd much rather not see all the AF points crammed in the middle though!
Can we please stop the name-calling in this thread? Calling people "whiners" is an insult, and only provokes equally childish responses. Makes me feel like we're over at DPReview.
Wait a minute: Crops users upgrading to a more expensive full frame camera are unrealistic for expecting a comparable feature set? This whole thread is based on comparing the Nikon D600 specs to the Canon 6D specs. These are the two main offerings in the entry level full frame market. Unlike the 5D2/D700 comparisons (same basic price point) where the cameras were definitely differentiated by resolution, here we have pretty much a straight-up face off. Nikon offers a full frame body with a comparable feature set to their top crop offering (the D7000). Canon offers a full frame body, with lower resolution than the Nikon, and clearly a less sophisticated AF system than that of the 7D. Does anyone dispute this?
Whether or not any of us participating in this discussion are about to buy either the 6D or the D600 is neither here nor there. We can have an opinion about it - an opinion we are likely to share with anyone who might ask us for camera-purchasing advice.
In my own case, because of the subjects I photograph (low light, indoor, events and music), the 6D holds absolutely no interest. I picked up a couple of D700's and some Nikon lenses several years back, which I used in preference to the 5D2. I will not go back to a camera that has but one reliable AF point. The 5D3 finally answered my hopes for a full frame, good AF, high-iso full frame body on the Canon side, so I've been using that camera recently. I was looking for a D700 replacement from Nikon with higher resolution than the 12mp of that body, with all the other serious goodies. Had Nikon released that camera (D750?) I might have switched over completely. The D800 isn't for me. The D600? It is a contender. I'll have to go handle one and do some shooting with it. It's got a better sensor than the D700, and its AF system might be acceptable enough. I can tell already, based on years of ownership of the 5D, 5D2, and 7D, that the 6D is a non-starter for me.
So what would I tell the person (I have one in mind: she's talked to me several times while I've been photographing concerts) who is struggling with a Canon crop camera in a low light venue, and wants better results? Should she look at a 6D or a D600? Either way, the EF-S or DX lenses aren't going to do the job, so she'd be starting over on lenses. Seems pretty clear to me that these two cameras are in fact in direct competition with each other.
Straw-man arguments serve no purpose. No one here expects "top of the line" features on an "entry level" camera body. The 1DX has better AF than the 5D3, which of course will have a better system than that on the 6D. The complaint comes when Canon puts a lesser AF system on the 6D than is on the less expensive, crop sensor 7D. Nikon's head-to-head offering didn't scrimp on such a crucial feature of an autofocus camera. This isn't 2005. Canon acts as if it can roll out the 5D again, and we'll all be happy because we now can finally, maybe, afford a full-frame sensor. Back then, there was no other place to go. Nowadays, there is most definitely some place else to go. But we shouldn't have to leave!
The OP started off by quoting a Canon rep. That quote was all-too-reminiscent of the Maeda statement to the effect that Canon didn't change the AF system in the 5D2 from the 5D because no one had complained about it. Maybe Canon heard enough complaints by the time the 5D3 was in development, or the presence of the D700 in the same price bracket as the 5D2 had shown that the argument was thin, but we were finally offered a 5D series body with the AF system to match the sensor capability. Why do we need to go through this all over again with the 6D?
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