Gochugogi wrote:
I've shot with the 5D2 since Spring 2009 and have yet to suffer focus problems. Of course I don't shoot skateboarder and hummingbirds and it certainly locks well for my travel, landscape and macro images. The only cameras I recall in recent memory to have iffy AF were the Elan 7E and 10D.
Personally, I lost several shots when using outer focus points of the 5D2 with my fast primes in low light.
I would have been interested in possibly getting the 6D, but I have to admit that I was a little bummed about the things like: Single SD card slot and no CF, 1/180 sync speed (though if it actually hits that speed it will be better than my 5D2 which claims 1/200 but actually only hits 1/160 with wireless strobes), and the 1/4000 top speed. While I can certainly acclimate to being limited to 1/4000 (it's not THAT big of a deal) there are definitely numerous times where I feel like shooting at f/2 or something wider in daylight and I hit 1/6400 or 1/8000. Again, it's not something that happens on a regular basis, but it definitely does happen.
My 5D2 has been plugging away since I got it in 2008 and it does just fine for me. I'd happily purchase a second one even. It's still a good camera.
"Sorry to break it to you but we're past the point of huge steps forward"
Yes, I think you are right. I am beginning to realize that this is behind my own lack of excitement about recent Canon releases. Mind you, Nikon still manage to bring out some exciting stuff at affordable prices. D800 and D600 are relatively interesting cameras.
One good reason I won't be upgrading my 5D2 to 6D are the memory cards. I have a good collection of CF cards, having to buy the other kind would add a lot to my purchase price if I got a 6D. I understand that the 6D isn't actually aimed at 5D users, but Rebel/xxd series upgraders, but surely those people are very price sensitive and the 6D doesn't seem a bargain, pricewise.
David Baldwin wrote:
"Sorry to break it to you but we're past the point of huge steps forward"
Yes, I think you are right. I am beginning to realize that this is behind my own lack of excitement about recent Canon releases. Mind you, Nikon still manage to bring out some exciting stuff at affordable prices. D800 and D600 are relatively interesting cameras.
One good reason I won't be upgrading my 5D2 to 6D are the memory cards. I have a good collection of CF cards, having to buy the other kind would add a lot to my purchase price if I got a 6D. I understand that the 6D isn't actually aimed at 5D users, but Rebel/xxd series upgraders, but surely those people are very price sensitive and the 6D doesn't seem a bargain, pricewise....Show more →
This is what happen when bean counter is running the engineering department
Ben Horne wrote:
I use to shoot sports, and I don't think I've ever used a 1/8000s shutter speed in my life. I rarely used anything beyond 1/2000s. Unless you're trying to shoot a portrait at f/1.2 in full harsh sunlight, I fail to see why people are complaining about the top shutter speed.
+1
Wi-fi allows remote control via smartphone - unproven implementation
Center AF point remains operational down to -3.0 eV (vs -0.5 eV) - unproven implementation
Silent shooting mode like 5D3 - unproven implementation
The 6d amounts to a wash after 4+ years of development and smacks of a rush job to offer something, anything, to keep Nikon from blowing Canon out of the water.
You say "No banding at even higher ISO (5D2 is terrible after ISO 6400 - 6D easily seems to top it up to ISO 25K) (proofed)"
If this is the case then that is a massive advantage. Is there a review or test that shows the 6D has fixed this issue please? I use my 5D2 up to ISO 3200 with confidence, but I would love to be able to go much higher, if the 6D can do that, well that would be a game changer for me.
No image proof yet, David. That is why I wrote "seems". Shooting 5D II on my own the last 3.5 years I tried to avoid to use ISO 6.400 for customers bookings. And never went higher. On photokina I was not allowed to put in a memory card. But I shot at 25K and controlled the image displayed. I could not see any banding (thatīs why I said prooved).
I expect comparable IQ of 5D III, or better said even a bit better. The new sensor design seems to be designed exmor like. The only ISO 6.400 Image (Jpeg) offered online shows noise but no banding even in the darkest areas pushed 4 stops.
But doesn't SD card = fail?!? (not to mention 1/4000 max shutter)
I love:
ISO 6400=ISO 3200 on 5D II (potentially, not confirmed)
Interchange screens (for super precision matte)
More sensative center point = focus re-compose is fine for me.
I used CF cards from the beginning. Never one failed.
I am not very happy with the SD change. And I would have loved to see two card slots (for security, not for need). Nor do I like the lost joystick. But I am fine with 1/4000. And I do not see a real difference between 1/200 and 1/180 flash sync. But I do not use flashes for creativity like others do, nor did I need 1/8000. I do not care about a 97% VF instead of 98% or 100%.
What I do need is a clean image at ISO 12.800 (better 1 stop higher), usable ooc JPEGs, an AF system working at (lowest) available light and yes: interchangeable screens are still welcome for MF. Enhanced Auto ISO settings, "Silent mode", MA at both ends of zooms are welcome, too. Wifi is nice, like size, weight and "feel".
The published portraits look all slightly OOF (or call it smooth) to me. But I can not imagine that Canon will spoil THIS (IQ). So as far I see it: If the IQ is comparable to 5D III, this new 6D would fullfill my wishes and might be my choice for the next couple of years.
What I mean by "SD=Fail" is that SD cards are much slower, I don't like them and I would need to get all new media if I switched from 5DII. I do agree with many of the other points made that the camera has potential.
I do not like SD cards, too. Because of their size. But are they really slower, than CF cards (the fastest I know/own offers a writing speed up to 90 MB/s - the sundisk extreme pro SD equivalent goes up to 95 MB/s at 1/3rd price)? Tell me if my knowledge is overcome, please.
Thank you Jerry. As far I see bobatkins page is not up to date. But Robs tests show a huge speed difference in SD to CF. Of course it depends on the used body and maybe adapter. I can not find the 6D in his list - .
The D800 listed shows sandisk pro CF cards are about 25% faster than the comparable (?) 95 MB/s SD card .
jamesf99 wrote:
Looks a little biased if you ask me, but since I haven't used a 6d, unlike the 5d2, I'll start a new list with unknown/unproven....
5D2 Proven Advantages:
Max 1/8000 sec shutter speed (vs 1/4000)
Joystick
A.I. servo has 6 assist AF points
CF card vs. SD card
Lower price
Higher resolution
replaceable VF screen
1/200s flash X-sync speed
Possibly better weather resistance as opposed to "splash resistance"
Most of the points listed here are either trivial and can be easily dismissed (1/8000 vs 1/4000 shutter speed, higher resolution of 21 vs 20 MP?, 1/200 vs 1/180 flash x-sync speed), unproven (weather vs splash resistance?) or simply wrong (6D also has replaceable VF screen).
As for AI Servo, 6D may have 8 invisible assist points to the center AF. See here.
Only the advantages of CF vs SD and joystick seem to stick. Even these may not be all that important for some folks.
Seriously, the 5D2 has little to offer over the 6D apart from a bigger and heftier body.
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