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 p.3 #15 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread | |
snowboarder wrote:
Digi Lloyd is testing the MM. Look at those comments:
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<rant>OK back from shooting with 90% of Noctilux shots useless out of focus garbage (even at f/5.6) with bad backfocus— and I used a 1.4X magnifier— so it could not have been me— and my Noctilux is perfect on my M9P. Apparently use of a deep red filter throws off the focus just like infrared does, or at least that is my quick theory until I go verify under fixed conditions. Apparently I’m going to have to compensate somehow if red filtration is to be used. My shots taken at closer range without filtration are better. And maybe it’s partly the rangefinder in the Leica M Monochrom body (the lenses are fine on my M9P). Hard to nail down without further research.
But the nasty usage reality is this— when a high-res digital camera has no Live View feature and the bargain-bin ultra low-res blurry LCD is paired with brain-dead firmware that refuses to display anything remotely close to actual pixels (to check focus accuracy post-shot), the result is hours of wasted time producing a lot of blurred images (well, they are sharp somewhere well behind the subject). What a shame. And very, very frustrating.
Seriously, after 3 years, Leica M bodies still cannot zoom into actual pixels to allow a critical focus check, or even a crude 'ballpark' focus check, it’s that poor. With the MM, this is even more critical. I had a lengthy conversation with Leica USA on this 18 months ago, with my factual explanation of the problem utterly repudiated and rejecting, as if denying reality were a legitimate response (“Leica cameras cannot by definition have any shortcomings”, more or less). Leica doesn’t have the sense even to acknowledge the limitation, let alone fix the stinking firmware (it’s software Leica, fix it already!).</rant>
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OK, seriously do you think this company will deliver anything remotely modern and usable?
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Bijltje wrote:
I am really curioes whats your deal with leica. U seem to really hate them.
So what for? Angry u can't afford them? Really want one for the name but it doesn't fit ur needs? Don't like germans?
U don't seem to have one so it can't be malfunction of your own camera.
I'm assuming you realized Andrew was quoting Lloyd Chambers' Leica rant. But Andrew can be hard on Leica at times, though he does own a nice set of M lenses. It's likely a strategy to be guardedly optimistic the M10 camera he's hoping for will be announced and not some warmed over M9.
As for the MM. Certainly we all know it's just an M9. I would guess internal components, other than the sensor, are identical, which likely limits performance improvements through software. Even changing the LCD for a higher rez one likely is an issue without redesigning other hardware... For sure (IMO) the MM is a way to use up M9 parts while charging a premium, though it does offer something no one else does, and quite nicely it seems.
anselwannab wrote:
I'm thinking that the ME has to be cheaper than the currentdiscounted M9 price, and probably a lot closer to the used prices of M9s.
The Sony RX1 is no M, but its almost like a M lens with a sensor thrown in free. Maybe not the best interface (no built-in EVF or true rangefinder). And the lens and sensor can be tweaked to work together for better performance.
So the M10 gets all the 'goodies' like live view and it sounds like maybe even focus confirmation. The new ME is like the M9, just updated.
An ME that is simply an M9 with updated electronics would be fine with me. If it doesn't have the M9's banding, a better, faster buffer, and a stop or so better high ISO -> 
sebboh wrote:
as far as leica goes, i doubt i'll ever get a leica camera, i'm more interested in their lenses. are they really going to bring out a 28 lux now? maybe that'll help me get a deal on a 28 cron.
I haven't heard of any other lenses... though a 14mm was supposed to appear a while ago. I'd actually prefer that over a 28 Lux. I find the 28 Cron is a great performer at a decent size. A Lux would certainly be larger and of course, much costlier. This last point alone would probably limit its impact on the 28 Cron, which BTW, is one of the few Leica lenses that seems to have been fairly frequently available at 'reasonable' prices on the used market. I've seen a number in the low $3000s. I really doubt a $6-7K 28 Lux will push down used Cron prices.
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