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LR's organizational issues seem serious. Is there no better option?


Sep 25, 2012 at 02:33 PM
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Bruce n Philly wrote:
You really need to plan ahead regarding how you want to organize your drives, folder structures, and then your RAWs. For example, I started organizing by place I shot (birds and wildlife locations). Then, I evolved to want to organize by species of bird or animal. YIKES.

I don't depend on LR4's libary or archival capabilities at all other than for the basic convinience. Once I've gone through a batch of a files from a shoot, I always do a save metadata and save the additional .xmp files along with the raws and everything else. Directory gets backed up that way and the files stay together from then on.

On principle I don't like using LR or any other organizational system that's built into some proprietary app because it basically locks you into that app and if you ever want to switch, it can then be a real pain.



Sep 25, 2012 at 02:53 PM
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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · DPP and what?


Sayeret18 wrote:
LR's organizational issues seem serious.


What organizational issues?

Bruce n Philly wrote:
You really need to plan ahead regarding how you want to organize your drives, folder structures, and then your RAWs. For example, I started organizing by place I shot (birds and wildlife locations). Then, I evolved to want to organize by species of bird or animal. YIKES.


Do what Krogh suggests in the 'DAM book': Digital Asset Management for Photographers:

Place your Raws in folders organize by dates: YYYY/MM/DD. That is extensible and scalable. Further, if you put YYYYMMDD in the file name (LR or Bridge or DIM 4 can do it) then you can find any image at any place in your workflow and locate the Raw (and the Work in Progress and the Finished pics if you YYYY/MM/DD organize those).

LR does not require organization. Use Keywords (LR is great for that) to find stuff. Trying to create folders by topics is madness.



Sep 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM
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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · DPP and what?


Assuming you do any heavy tonal adjustments in DPP, an 8 bit editor will do fine.

Try GIMP!
It's 100% free and will do just about anything you could possibly ask for. Use it until you become fairly proficient and identify any specific needs that aren't being met. THEN consider (or not!) plonking $ for something more 'professional.'



http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/



Sep 25, 2012 at 11:50 PM
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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · DPP and what?


Monito wrote:
Place your Raws in folders organize by dates: YYYY/MM/DD. That is extensible and scalable. Further, if you put YYYYMMDD in the file name (LR or Bridge or DIM 4 can do it) then you can find any image at any place in your workflow and locate the Raw (and the Work in Progress and the Finished pics if you YYYY/MM/DD organize those).

YYYYMMDD is not completely scalable, what happens when the year rolls over from 9999?



Sep 25, 2012 at 11:55 PM
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I used GIMP for many years until I got a half-price deal on PS CS2 from Adobe. It's very good and free and Free (open source).

http://www.gimp.org

But it won't keyword.



Sep 26, 2012 at 12:52 AM
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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · DPP and what?


[Trying to create folders by topics is madness.

Ok, got it. Now living the pain.


Sep 26, 2012 at 02:05 PM
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Monito wrote:
I can split a big job of batching out JPEGs from Raws into three parallel (simultaneous) batches and keep all six cores here humming. (I don't think you can do that in Lightroom.)


I don't know much about how this stuff works 'behind the scenes' but I think LR might work the same way.

I only have two cores on my 64-bit laptop setup...but if I select half of the photos for conversion in LR4 and then immediately select the other half (while the first batch is running) the Windows Task Manager shows both cores fully utilized.

I think there was a thread here at FM with a link to an article about this (which is what prompted me to try it)...



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ChrisRD wrote:
I don't know much about how this stuff works 'behind the scenes' but I think LR might work the same way.


On my six-core deskside computer I found that LR 4 was using over 50% (appr. 3 cores or a bit more) on an export. Might be possible to double batch to get to six cores but I haven't tried it yet.



Sep 27, 2012 at 01:56 PM
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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · DPP and what?


I'll give GIMP a try. Thanks everyone!


Sep 27, 2012 at 02:48 PM
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Although I tried LR-3 for a while, I went back to DPP. Two main reasons - I prefer the colours I get with DPP, especially skin tones, and secondly I much prefer the way saves adjustments inside the original picture file.

Perhaps I'm not the typical user, but DPP's method of saving adjustments inside the picture file is in my mind a huge advantage for me.

I shoot pictures for a newspaper and often need to pull one picture for emailing straight after taking. Let's say I've taken 10-15 pictures at some event and want to send one. I do a quick review of the pictures by placing the memory card in a card reader attached to my laptop, use DPP's quick check feature to have a look through the shots, mark the best one as '1', crop it, make any adjustments I need, including sharpening, hit export as a jpg and then I'm ready for sending the pic out.

Afterwards I can put the card back in the camera and keep shooting, but all the adjustments, including the cropping, get saved in the file I've worked on.

Later on I can copy the raw I've used into a folder on my laptop and the adjustments I've made remain in place if I need to use that picture again. I normally use Photo Mechanic to move files around on my laptop, embed captions, etc.

As for organising files, I make a folder for each month (naming as, for example, YYMMDD-September 12. Inside that folder I make sub-folders for various shoots and also name them starting with the date (eg YYMMDD-protest, or whatever).

Works pretty well for me



Sep 27, 2012 at 09:57 PM
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elluDe, +1 on your comments

I tried Lightroom 3, Aperture 3, Photoshop CS5/CS6 and the RAW conversions never match what DPP can do for colors, skin tone, and producing clean sky and backgrounds.

DPP saving changes directly in the RAW file is a big benefit. No dealing with slow databases reads (Aperture/Lightroom), or XML side-car files (Photoshop).

I also do RAW conversion in DPP and use "transfer to Photoshop" option for some post processing



Sep 28, 2012 at 03:03 PM
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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · DPP and what?


abqnmusa - you say the other programs "never match what DPP can do for colors, skin tone, and producing clean sky and backgrounds." Is there a resource that would explain how to use the DPP tools to do these things?


Sep 28, 2012 at 03:20 PM
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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · DPP and what?


For DPP ...

I learned through practice converting RAW images. There are a good manual, tutorials, & ebook
not at a computer where I can list steps. this should get you started ...

First read the DPP manual from Canon

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_5d_mark_ii#DriversAndSoftware

This is an ebook on DPP:

http://www.andrewsgibson.com/blog/understanding-dpp/

These are tutorials on Canon's website:

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/videos/tutorials/dpp/dpp_311_whats_new_video.shtml

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/videos/tutorials/dpp/dpp_tour.shtml

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/galleries/galleries/tutorials/dpp_tutorials.shtml

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/videos/tutorials/dpp/dpp_and_adobe_bridge.shtml

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/videos/tutorials/dpp/what_are_raw_images.shtml

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/videos/tutorials/dpp/dpp_311_digital_lens_optimizer_video.shtml

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/photos/articles/hdr_single_img_pt1/hdr_single_pt1_batch_process_dpp.shtml



Sep 28, 2012 at 03:29 PM
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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · DPP and what?


Thanks - this is great information. Most appreciated!


Sep 28, 2012 at 06:18 PM
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