Home · Register · Search · View Winners · Software · Hosting · Software · Join Upload & Sell

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
Username   Password

Sports Corner Rules
Sports Corner Resource
  

FM Forums | Sports Corner | Join Upload & Sell

1      
2
       end
  

Archive 2012 · football with 3 speedlites
  
 
andyz
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.2 #1 · football with 3 speedlites


How far away can the player be with you still getting good light on them, and have you ever been told the flash hindered the player, or better yet have you been told it was of no consequence?

Looks sweet but I'm concerned the team wouldn't like it or shooting from the end zone the light wouldn't reach.



Sep 07, 2012 at 02:31 AM
clarence3
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #2 · football with 3 speedlites


andyz wrote:
How far away can the player be with you still getting good light on them


Once it gets dark I usually put away the 600mm and switch to my 200/1.8L+1.4xTC for 280mm (f/2.5 available, but I usually click it up to f/2.8). If they're close enough to sufficiently fill the frame, then they're usually within flash distance. They need to be closer if you're shooting at xsync, trying to overpower ambient. Hypersync with multiple flashes at high ISO is more flexible and more recoverable in PP if necessary. But as a rule of thumb, I don't try to reach past midfield. I move to the endzone when they're in the red zone (20 yards), so that's usually with range.

andyz wrote:
have you ever been told the flash hindered the player, or better yet have you been told it was of no consequence?


There are hundreds of threads in the past 10 years on this, so I don't want to revisit this tangent in depth here. I've been shooting this team with flash for several years. And I've shot hundreds of games at 77 different schools in several different states.

I've checked with officials, ADs, coaches, and players. Not a single concern or comment (other than "great shots last week" or the players saying "we're going to run this play your way, so get ready").

YMMV. If the guidelines, officials, ADs, or coaches in your area prohibit or discourage the use of flash, or if you have concerns or preferences against the use of flash, then don't use it.



Sep 07, 2012 at 03:19 PM
andyz
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.2 #3 · football with 3 speedlites


Thanks for the info. Our field has such poor lighting I might look into something like this.


Sep 07, 2012 at 03:27 PM
Jeff_Stapleton
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #4 · football with 3 speedlites


Have you ever thought about gelling the strobes with a 1/4 gel of some sort?


Sep 07, 2012 at 04:04 PM
clarence3
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #5 · football with 3 speedlites


Jeff_Stapleton wrote:
Have you ever thought about gelling the strobes with a 1/4 gel of some sort?


Hmm, no, I've been tempted to play with gels for portraits, but I've never thought about the need to match the light at a game. I just shoot RAW and adjust in WB LR if needed.

Here's an additional picture of the rig with the speedlights rotated to the normal, horizontal position.



I manually max out the flash zoom setting to 105mm. I don't think it makes much of a difference in how much light reaches the subject. But one of these nights I'll take a picture of the side of a building from about 20 yards away to test.

I've also been tempted to add a better beamer to the flash heads to get some more reach. I used one at a game several years ago and it really worked well... when you're shooting at 280mm, the 105mm max setting on the flash would seem to scatter the light a little wide. But I don't have to worry if the flashes are perfectly aimed. Not sure if the better beamer would cause a vignette or might even put less light on the intended target if I wasn't lined up properly. Plus, with 3 better beamers, I'd really be looking like the mars lander.



Sep 07, 2012 at 04:22 PM
Jeff_Stapleton
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #6 · football with 3 speedlites


But the Mars lander only has a 2mp camera on it


Sep 07, 2012 at 05:25 PM
CW100
Online
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #7 · football with 3 speedlites


clarence3 wrote:
I never claimed it was pretty, but here it is...

Here's the design of the bracket I made out of 1" x 1/8" steel from Home Depot...

The flashes are 5" apart because that gives me enough room to swap batteries. I had to cut notches for the hotshoe on the bottom of each FlexTT5.

The battery doors are all facing up because the battery compartment on the 550EXs have a tendency to open easily.

The controls and switch labels are all facing upwards so I can easily power them up and switch my presets from 1D3 to 5D3/7D.

I used a bungee on the
...Show more

interesting lighting rig, thx for the setup pics






Sep 08, 2012 at 11:04 AM
a2rob
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.2 #8 · football with 3 speedlites


Clarence, what type of head is that on the monopod?


Sep 09, 2012 at 02:22 AM
 

Search in Used Dept. 



clarence3
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #9 · football with 3 speedlites


It's a gimbal for my 600/4L. Not a fancy one, just one I got on ebay several years ago. Works great.


Sep 10, 2012 at 02:34 AM
Mike Milne
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #10 · football with 3 speedlites


late to the game here.... er....

Have you notice any stress on the PW TT5 feet from being mounted horizontally?




Sep 28, 2012 at 06:08 AM
mikepmcs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: On
p.2 #11 · football with 3 speedlites


Awesome rig!!


Sep 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM
dbaphotography
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #12 · football with 3 speedlites


Excellent post, images and thread! Thanks, Clarence!

I've had very similar experiences with standard sync vs. HSS, but from the Nikon side. I do almost all HSS now, in manual exposure mode.

Some random thoughts and comments:

I currently use a single SB900 flash with a 400mm f2.8 lens, and I find that it's got enough power to go 20-30 yards, but struggles beyond that. I tried a Better Beamer, and it did help, but I was always struggling to get it pointed in precisely the right direction, and always readjusting it after someone bumped it.

One thing I don't like about the HSS shots is the change in the color of the grass as the effect of the flash fades in the distance. Your shots 9 and 10 show this effect, for example. I seem to get a more pronounced effect in most of the stadiums around here.

I really like your solution to mounting the flashes to the monopod to get good alignment with the lens. My approach has too many degrees of freedom.

Mounting the flash far enough underneath the camera to prevent red-eye also prevents shooting from a low (kneeling) position. Anybody ever found a solution to this?

Thanks again for sharing.
Dave



Sep 28, 2012 at 08:25 PM
clarence3
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #13 · football with 3 speedlites


Mike Milne wrote:
Have you notice any stress on the PW TT5 feet from being mounted horizontally?


Nope.

dbaphotography wrote:
Mounting the flash far enough underneath the camera to prevent red-eye also prevents shooting from a low (kneeling) position. Anybody ever found a solution to this?


I don't kneel or sit as much at HS games as I do for daytime youth sports, but the bracket does allow it. The bracket itself is 20" long. With the monopod collapsed and the bottom speedlite near the ground, my camera can still be lowered to eye level when kneeling.







Sep 28, 2012 at 08:41 PM
tmalone893
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #14 · football with 3 speedlites


I tried the flashes under the lens last night and had very bad results. The shadows were huge on the empty stands or near by buildings. I went back to the flash above the lens with much better results. Any recommandation on the difference in shadows? I would love to be able to use two flashes below. It seems much more balanced.


Sep 28, 2012 at 09:37 PM
clarence3
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.2 #15 · football with 3 speedlites


tmalone893 wrote:
I tried the flashes under the lens last night and had very bad results. The shadows were huge on the empty stands or near by buildings. Any recommandation


Yep, monster shadows are one of the symptoms of a low flash.

Shoot tighter. Or try the other sideline if the background is better. Sounds like you've got too much background in the composition. Can you post an example?



Sep 28, 2012 at 09:46 PM
kwhaley29
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: On
p.2 #16 · football with 3 speedlites


I'd like to applaud your ingenuity Clarence! Thanks for sharing your setup as well as the results of your efforts.


Oct 09, 2012 at 06:03 PM
1      
2
       end




FM Forums | Sports Corner | Join Upload & Sell

1      
2
       end
    
 

You are not logged in. Login or Register

Username   Password    Retrive password