p.3 #3 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
Imagemaster wrote:
It does not win for spot AF does it
That's far from a necessity on a camera for me, I get by just fine without it. I guess you could say the 7D LCD and other bells and whistles win too right? Not important to me.
p.3 #4 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
artsupreme wrote:
That's far from a necessity on a camera for me, I get by just fine without it. I guess you could say the 7D LCD and other bells and whistles win too right? Not important to me.
p.3 #5 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
Since I currently own both of the cameras in question, I'll chime in here. The 7D is a great choice since it has a higher pixel count and the extra reach can be nice as well. That said, I find that the 1D III has consistently better IQ at pretty much every ISO, getting progressively better at higher ISOs. It's a bit hard to explain the difference, but after you've looked at thousands of photos, you can see the difference easily.
In addition, te 1D III is built like a tank, has longer battery life, faster FPS - though this is generally not an issue, and just plain handles better.
There are, however, times when the extra pixel count is simply indispensable!
This is not an easy choice. The good news, is that we are all picking nits. It's hard to go wrong with either body.
p.3 #6 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
Since I currently own both of the cameras in question, I'll chime in here. The 7D is a great choice since it has a higher pixel count and the extra reach can be nice as well. That said, I find that the 1D III has consistently better IQ at pretty much every ISO, getting progressively better at higher ISOs. It's a bit hard to explain the difference, but after you've looked at thousands of photos, you can see the difference easily.
In addition, te 1D III is built like a tank, has longer battery life, faster FPS - though this is generally not an issue, and just plain handles better.
There are, however, times when the extra pixel count is simply indispensable!
This is not an easy choice. The good news, is that we are all picking nits. It's hard to go wrong with either body.
p.3 #7 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
Imagemaster wrote:
A 7D will auto-focus with the pins taped or with a non-reporting TC.
Oh, that's right. You must have been on the assembly line of my 7d AND my TC then somehow tested them together to know that MY 7d and TC would AF with the pins taped. Here is a right back at you.
The TC with the pins taped will NOT af on my 7d, it just hunts and hunts while the same exact TC with the same tape in the same place will AF just fine on my 5d III.
I'm not saying the 7d can't AF with the pins taped because I know it can from other users but there are obviously combos of 7d's and TCs that won't. I'm also not the only one, I've seen other posts on boards with the same thing.
p.3 #8 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
M Lucca wrote:
Yerp. I guess the pop up flash and hdslr too.
Oh don't forget the rad HDMI out. So 2010....
All of which have absolutely nothing to do with producing top notch images...some folks like bells and whistles and some like good old fashioned IQ and performance. I could give a rat's ass about pop up flash, HDMI, video, etc...you can keep it. I'll take the IQ and performance from the 1DIII any day. My camera bodies are tools, not gadgets....
Thanks Edward for posting your images, your comments about the IQ are spot on. Nothing more to say after that...
p.3 #9 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
artsupreme wrote:
All of which have absolutely nothing to do with producing top notch images...some folks like bells and whistles and some like good old fashioned IQ and performance. I could give a rat's ass about pop up flash, HDMI, video, etc...you can keep it. I'll take the IQ and performance from the 1DIII any day. My camera bodies are tools, not gadgets....
Thanks Edward for posting your images, your comments about the IQ are spot on. Nothing more to say after that...
But you are missing the point that the topic of this thread is about using these cameras for wildlife/focal length-limited shooting. While the things that make a camera well suited for wildlife/focal length-limited shooting may have no benefit for what you shoot, that doesn't mean that they are not important for the kind of shooting that this topic is about.
p.3 #10 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
uz2work wrote:
But you are missing the point that the topic of this thread is about using these cameras for wildlife/focal length-limited shooting. While the things that make a camera well suited for wildlife/focal length-limited shooting may have no benefit for what you shoot, that doesn't mean that they are not important for the kind of shooting that this topic is about.
Les
I think you missed my post above where I said the only place I use my 7D is when I'm FL limited.....but that is rare. Plus, the OP never mentioned he was FL limited and mentioned he wanted the camera for PJ as well which would be another vote for the 1DIII...
p.3 #11 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
I really think that this does not need to get religious. I personally feel that the 1D III has better IQ, but we are in no way talking worlds of difference here. It's a very minor thing, and after proper PP, both cameras yield awesome IQ IMHO. The 1D III always seems to need less PP to get the look I'm after, but A) that's the look I'm after, not necessarily anyone else, and B) the difference, again, is not huge.
There are definitely tradeoffs between the two, but both are excellent.
One last thought: If you plan to print big (which I do a lot), the 7D's increased resolution would definitely trump the 1D III's better IQ, ISO, handling and frame rate.
p.3 #12 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
artsupreme wrote:
That's far from a necessity on a camera for me, I get by just fine without it. I guess you could say the 7D LCD and other bells and whistles win too right? Not important to me.
Well I guess your "wins for everything else" was a bit of an overstatement, eh
p.3 #16 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Because you get even more detail with a properly focussed shot. In servo mode the 1D III/IV are simply better. They acquire a lock faster and are more stable in longer bursts. I still enjoy using the 7D but for critical action work if I'm not FL limited or at least not too much, I'll always go for the 1 series. Basically it boils down to keeper rates. The 7D is more variable and can range between 60-95% keepers, while the 1 series seem to stay in the 85-95% range. For more normal action the 7D AF is fine and I will still use it for fast action, but I now shoot short bursts and reacquire focus.
I agree that the 7D can produce amazing detail at lower iso and for me at least I could not imagine not having it in addition to a 1 series body. If they could just put the 5D III AF in it and improve noise 1 stop across the board it would be sensational....Show more →
p.3 #18 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
I am sort of in the same situation, although my lack of wildlife tends to make me shoot other things.
For every single thread I have seen which involves the 7D , the term "special" PP comes up.Don't get me wrong the 7D has a lot going for it, but why does this one body merit so much special processing and talk of noisy images. I even saw one comparing the 60d to the 7D, and the exact same images were taken using the same lenses and the bodies were switched. In this case the 60D was better without the "special" processing.
Do I want own a camera that always needs "special" processing, and what If I can't figure out how to do this "special" processing ?
I've seen the images from a 1DMk2, because I have one, and that sensor is "special", blown up to 100% there just wasn't any noise at all, nothing, at least from 100-200 ISO anyways.
I also have a 20D which compared to the 1D is very, very noisy, same size sensor too. Yes with some careful noise reduction, the 20D image can look very good, at least up to 200 ISO, after that no amount of noise reduction can fix it.
I would love to try a 7D, to just see how it is, but the 1DMk3, its pretty much a sure thing. For me anyways $1000 is a lot of money to try something, but for some its a drop in the bucket.
p.3 #20 · 7D vs. 1D3 for wildlife work (input needed)
Bsmooth wrote:
For every single thread I have seen which involves the 7D , the term "special" PP comes up..
I see people saying the same thing, too, but I think that saying it that way may be overstating reality.
I post process my 7D images in the exact same way that I post process my 1D Mark IV images, and, while there may have been some minor evolutionary changes, it is basically the same post processing that I did with earlier generations of cameras. I admit that post processing in not one of my strengths, and it may well be that more careful post processing would make my images look better, but, even if "careful post processing" is required to get the most out of 7D images, it certainly is not at such a level that you might think.
I think that, when people refer to "careful post processing" they are generally talking about noise reduction techniques especially in heavily cropped images, but the reality is that, with any camera, in a heavily cropped image, noise is going to be a bigger issue, and good noise reduction techniques are needed to get the most out of the image.
