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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Customising the 5D MK III suggestions please


I thought i knew a lot about photography but having upgraded to the 5D MK III then realises my weak link is AF . Its never been a great concern as I mostly took landscapes .

I have been attempting to move to a more dynamic subject matter, sports, action and wildlife.

There are a few customise options that I know of and will change :

Joystick to direct AF point selection (sure the MK ii did this automatically )

Assign exposure and focus to a back button.

Now here is where it gets confusing, there are so many options. i have never used the my own settings options or built my own profile. i am assuming i can set up various profiles. Landscape, portrait, Sports etc . Sorry to sound a little dim. Am on a steep learning curve.

I have downloaded the AF guides from canon's web page and has the manual (dry as a bone) and is considering paying for Klosterman's E, book, 'The Canon 5D Mark 111 Bible' . Is the e book worth paying for ?

So if i am setting up a few profiles, a Sports action profile what customising would you do, what settings ? Any advice appreciated. I may have to find a photography vacation that specialises in this subject.

Thanks,

Phil.



Jul 17, 2012 at 07:28 AM
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Echobeach wrote:
Joystick to direct AF point selection (sure the MK ii did this automatically )


Phil the 5D2 only has two basic AF modes: user selected single point or auto selection. The 5D3 has 6, including a 61-point version of auto AF point selection (p. 72-73 of your manual details these 6 modes). Most of us prefer to select the AF point ourselves but we all need to fly on auto pilot when drinking or handing the camera to a friend or family member.



Jul 17, 2012 at 08:36 AM
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Gochugogi wrote:
Most of us prefer to select the AF point ourselves but we all need to fly on auto pilot when drinking or handing the camera to a friend or family member.






Jul 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM
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i won't give specific advise regarding action AF, but something about creating custom profiles:

make a spreadsheet with C1, C2, C3 across the top and different parameters down the side (such as type of AF point, drive mode, etc.... all that stuff)

then decide what you want your three main custom settings to be.... one for landscape, one for action, one for street, or whatever - maybe they're three different types of action, depends on how you shoot.

then go down the list and decide which settings you *think* would work best for each custom setting, and fill in your chart. then go into the camera and setup all three C1/C2/C3 modes based on the chart.

now, this won't be perfect, but it's going to be a starting point. by default if you make any little tweaks to these settings while you shoot, the camera will reset them to your custom settings when you restart the camera. you DON'T want this, contrary to what you might think. at this point you want the custom functions to be flexible, to adapt to your needs. there's a setting where you can have the custom functions retain changes made while shooting - turn this on.

when you go out and shoot, you'll start using the C mode for the situation at hand. and you'll start to realize some things need to be changed, so you just tweak as you shoot. the C mode will retain these changes and "grow" with you. then, once you're really satisfied with the C settings you can turn off the setting that retains changes if you want. this could take a day or it could take a year, or you may never turn it off.




Jul 17, 2012 at 01:32 PM
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All action is not created equal...and the 5diii (and idx) AF systems are designed with this in mind. To get it to do what you want to achieve, you need to read the manual. And play with the camera until you understand what the various settings control. Then think about how your subject is moving to make actual setting selections.

Canon has a series of videos on the AF system controls for the 1dx. Possibly also for the 5diii. These provide a good starting point for understanding how the camera is programmed. But studying the manual is key.



Jul 17, 2012 at 01:44 PM
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Echobeach wrote:
Sorry to sound a little dim. Am on a steep learning curve.
I have downloaded the AF guides from canon's web page and has the manual (dry as a bone) and is considering paying for Klosterman's E, book, 'The Canon 5D Mark 111 Bible' . Is the e book worth paying for ? Thanks, Phil.


Hi Phil, you don't sound dim to me at all. In fact, you're probably ahead of me in the learning curve! To get a better grasp of the camera I purchased Klostermans e-book, it's a great referrence guide for me, and I've read it twice so far. Many times I'll not ask any questions because I don't wish to appear as inexperienced as I am, well, that cat is out of the bag so to speak. And sometimes folks aren't as helpful as you'd like, but the ones that are make up ten-fold to those who don't. Imo, seems like a very good crowd here that are more than willing to lend a helping hand. The e-book as well as the forum will give you some good tips. On the other forum POTN if I remember, several folks listed examples of their settings for the custom functions according to their specific needs, ie; sports, action, stills, landscape, etc. It gave me some ideas of what I could incorporate into settings of my own. I'm enjoying the 5D MkIII so far, it has many useable features for me and lots of room to grow. Additionally it's kinda paving the way if in the future I upgrade to the 1D X. It seems to be meeting expectations and holding the flagship title. Anyway, 2-thumbs up for the e-book, for this amateur it's helped to get a better understanding of the camera..Good luck, Regards, Will G.



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Gochugogi wrote:
Most of us prefer to select the AF point ourselves but we all need to fly on auto pilot when drinking or handing the camera to a friend or family member.


Drinking only, Gochugogi.


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Jul 17, 2012 at 02:28 PM
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Thanks everyone.

I knew the 5D mk ii very well and as I really concentrated on Landscape then the complexities of the 5D MK III'S AF are something completely new.

I would say I am a competent landscape photographer but when it comes to the use of flash, panning, sports, lighting then i have a lot to learn. Has read the manual, most of it makes sense, a large part of the AF section really will take some time to figure out. The hard part is putting things into practise .

Particularly needs to sit down and be a little more analytical in creating a few personal profiles. i am from a painting, arts background and I would say I have more of a visual awareness than technical ability.

I came here from DPREVIEW . Horrible forum . All i can say is people are here to learn and improve and a few comments are really not helpful at all.

Thanks.



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I have to agree with Will G.

The best way i learn is to look at other's work. Work I find inspirational . Look at what settings they use and why and then with a manual is figure out what is appropriate to what I would like to achieve.

Perhaps thats my subjective, arty mind at work.




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goosemang wrote:
now, this won't be perfect, but it's going to be a starting point. by default if you make any little tweaks to these settings while you shoot, the camera will reset them to your custom settings when you restart the camera. you DON'T want this, contrary to what you might think. at this point you want the custom functions to be flexible, to adapt to your needs. there's a setting where you can have the custom functions retain changes made while shooting - turn this on.

when you go out and shoot, you'll start using the C mode for the situation
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That's one way to do it, but if you go this route you need to be very careful about indiscriminately changing settings. I actually do the opposite, and have the C1-C3 menu on my My Menu so it can be quickly accessed, so I can save settings only when I'm sure I want them. It would be very easy to pick up the camera hours later and start shooting, then start changing settings when they are 'not right', only to find that you just wiped out all the hard work of getting the settings dialed.

Your mileage may vary, and probably is directly related to how your unique grey matter operates.

-Jeff



Jul 19, 2012 at 04:21 AM
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See also:

http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/products/eos_5d_markiii/5d_mark_iii_on_camera_tutorials_resource_list.shtml



Jul 19, 2012 at 04:24 AM
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Thanks, spent a good few hours yesterday whenI had the time and carefully read the manual and Canon's tutorials and my foggy brain has cleared and now finally has the AF sorted and understood . Not as complicated as I thought at first.

Phew, I am sure the brain slows down as you hurtle towards 50



Jul 19, 2012 at 06:36 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Customising the 5D MK III suggestions please


Echobeach wrote:
I thought i knew a lot about photography but having upgraded to the 5D MK III then realises my weak link is AF . Its never been a great concern as I mostly took landscapes .

I have been attempting to move to a more dynamic subject matter, sports, action and wildlife.

There are a few customise options that I know of and will change :

Joystick to direct AF point selection (sure the MK ii did this automatically )

Assign exposure and focus to a back button.

Now here is where it gets confusing, there are so many options. i have never used the
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I'd make to sure to set C1-C3 to auto-update. Conditions always change on the fly and it's so nice for them you adjust and retain. You can have one for video say and then another for maybe the non-action shots (crowd shots you might be able to go to lower ISO and perhaps want higher f-stop, who knows) and then maybe one for action in dark area and then the main settings can be the typical action as conditions change it will always be up to date with the latest you need at the moment and not revert to some useless outdated conditions and you won't have to keep bothering to dig in menus and reprogram.

You can flip between taking video clips, two types of more static stills and two types of action shots without having to waste precious second resetting and programming and missing important things and going crazy from the annoyance of it all. Or you may not need so many just for action and make one a general landscape starting point, one for really low light static, one for low light action, one for bright action, etc. whatever works.

As far as the focus to back button. Sometimes that is better, but don't think that you have to do that all the time just because you read it on some forum. Many sports shooters actually don't use that all that often. It depends on the person or scenario. The super tele lenses have their own AF freeze buttons and such and many far prefer those to messing with shifting af to back button. And when you don't need back button reframe stuff many find it more natural and easier to just leave AF on front. I know in forums it can be heresy to say that, but on the side lines I saw more people actually just leave it on front much of the time than permanently on the back, although I certainly saw the latter too.

Make sure to keep shutter speeds wayyy up for action. To the landscape shooter 1/250th or 1/320th sounds like over the top action freezing but that is considering almost like 6" to an action shooter.

Also most people use Av or M mode for action and not Tv, although Tv may be used for special purposes.
For sports action you are often shooting wide open, if not always.

Even for crowds you sometimes needs fast shutters if you are close and they are leaping and up and whipping around in excitement, it doesn't actually take too much to blur.

But really there is no one way ot set things up, each scenario will be different, each person might do a bit different variation for each scneario.


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Jul 19, 2012 at 07:36 AM
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As an idea of what I do for my 7D with the C1-C3 settings, I have set them for action work. For C1 I have set Tv 1600, auto ISO, AI servo, for C2 I have set Av f/5.6, ISO 400, AI servo and C3 I have set up for my wife so she can use the shutter button to focus rather than the back button but otherwise same settings as C2.


Jul 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM
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skibum5 wrote:
As far as the focus to back button. Sometimes that is better, but don't think that you have to do that all the time just because you read it on some forum. Many sports shooters actually don't use that all that often. It depends on the person or scenario. The super tele lenses have their own AF freeze buttons and such and many far prefer those to messing with shifting af to back button. And when you don't need back button reframe stuff many find it more natural and easier to just leave AF on front. I know in forums
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I'm primarily a bird (BIF) shooter. For a long time I just used the default focus on the shutter button but have switched to the back button focusing method. I think it's the only way to go. On many occasions I'd need to prefocus at a spot and wait for the birds to come...sometimes it takes quite a while and it's not practical to keep holding down the shutter button half way. When the bird is small (i.e., hummingbird), if you do spot focusing and you miss it before you take the shot by pressing the shutter, the camera focuses on the background...not so good. I missed quite a few shots this way.

For BIFs, I use mostly Tv - set to 1/1600, auto ISO. Using Av is not so good because it will sometimes bump your Tv down too much to get a clear shot. It will bump Tv first before it does ISO. This was with my 50D. On the 5DMk3, it's best to use Manual mode with Auto ISO. You have absolute control of both Av and Tv...the camera will change ISO within the band you specify.



Aug 08, 2012 at 06:24 PM
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For whatever it is worth, here is a fairly old thread related to the question the OP posted: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1106574.


Aug 08, 2012 at 06:48 PM





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