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Jim Schemel
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p.1 #1 · Nex Processing Thread


Was wondering if all those using the Nex system could share with others their Work Flow and processing techniques.I am finding the Work Flow quite a bit different than the Canon so i am looking for help.Please share details from uploading to your computer off the card as well as what you have found gets the best IQ.Please be specific as to what programs you use etc.

If this is discussed in detail somewhere else then the Moderators can delete this thread or move it.

--Jim



Jun 20, 2012 at 10:39 PM
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p.1 #2 · Nex Processing Thread


Lightroom, Lightroom, and Lightroom.

SD card into the iMac, exposure (if necessary), some sharpening (40 1.0 50 20 ), thats usually it. Either straight to print or off to PS for re-size and save if web jpegs are wanted. But I didn't find the work flow much different if using a Canon (OK sharpening is 50 not 40).



Jun 21, 2012 at 02:53 AM
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p.1 #3 · Nex Processing Thread


Jim, I still process my Canon shots with DPP, and my NEX shots with LR. I tried LR for my 5D III, and it just looked significantly less appealing than with DPP.
For the NEX, I use basic sharpening, and the rest on an as-needed basis. Though I frequently end up pushing vibrance moderately (+12), and reducing the blacks (-9) while pushing exposure (+0.29) to compensate



Jun 21, 2012 at 04:55 AM
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p.1 #4 · Nex Processing Thread


I use the bundled Sony raw converter, set exposure, white balance, turn off sharpening and noise reduction, leave DRO on or off depending, then export and do my sharpening and adjustments and downsizing in Photoshop. Care to share your Canon workflow? I'm going the other way sort of.


Jun 21, 2012 at 05:46 AM
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p.1 #5 · Nex Processing Thread


I usually import my images into lightroom, apply a preset, select the better ones and, process them and export them to PS for multistep sharpening. So nothing Nex specific there.

Two things which took me some time to figure out:

Color
Adobes default color profile for the Nex-5n sucks. We discussed the topic in the Nex-discussion thread a while ago, Maurizio Piraccini created some profiles which are an improvement but they don't work well all the time.
Now i use a profile created by itemsis, a user of a german forum, his post can be found here, the direct link to his profile is this one.
in my opinion it gives much better skin tones than Maurizios profiles, i use it all the time and rarely use another one.

Dynamic range
Before i bought my Nex is used a Canon 550d and was delighted to see how much more dynamic range the 5n had, especially the shadows can be pushed really far. I think the 5d has a marginally better DR than the 550d, but a nex should be much better.











So when i am in need of a high dynamic range i expose for the lights and push the shadows as far as i need.
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Jun 21, 2012 at 05:52 AM
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p.1 #6 · Nex Processing Thread


Jim - I'm curious what differences you're seeing/experiencing compared to your Canon files?

Phillip - thanks for that illustration and information. I used a 5N for a couple months last year on loan and always found it difficult to match LR output to the in-camera Jpeg colour and tonality. I usually ended up tweaking a lot of the hue, saturation and luminance values for various colours, in addition to global changes with the tone curve, contrast and clarity settings. It might be worth revisiting the files with the custom profile to which you linked.



Jun 21, 2012 at 05:53 AM
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p.1 #7 · Nex Processing Thread


I post process files from 5n identically for those taken with Nikon D7000. Biggest difference for Canon post processing is that I almost always underexposure quite a lot and push shadows in post with 5n and d7000. I do shadow recovery in Lightroom, export as tiff, rest post processing in photoshop as needed.


Jun 21, 2012 at 06:31 AM
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p.1 #8 · Nex Processing Thread


Hey Jim,

Just for kicks - download a trial version of Capture One 6 and see how you like the RAW conversions. Phase One has some great on line tutorials which should make it quick for you to pick up. I really like their default color conversions with both my Nex 5n and 7.

To answer your original question, I import my raw files using Photomechanic, browse and select in Capture One 6. I always correct exposure and use the highlight shadow sliders as appropriate and sometime correct for contrast in C1. I export unsharpened 16 bit ProPhoto RGB tiffs, which I open up in Photoshop where I use the Photokit Shapener plug in for capture sharpening and for output sharpening after I save a version of my final Tiff in the final print size. Sometimes I crop and straighten in Photoshop and sometimes in C1.

If I've corrected contrast in C1, I just resize a copy, output sharpen in Photokit Sharpener and then I'm done. For some images in which I need to add a little something, the Tiff that I export from C1 is not corrected for contrast, looks a little flat and then I use the Nik ColorEfex plug in to adjust contrast using either the Color Contrast Range, Pro Contrast or Tonal Contrast filters. Sometimes I also use the darken corners/brighten center tool in ColorEfex.

When I first got my 5N and then 7, I did several conversions of the same image in ACR (same engine as lightroom) and then C1 and I consistently prefer the C1 conversions and find the files need much less work for my vision.



Jun 21, 2012 at 07:54 PM
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p.1 #9 · Nex Processing Thread


Jeff Kott wrote
When I first got my 5N and then 7, I did several conversions of the same image in ACR (same engine as lightroom) and then C1 and I consistently prefer the C1 conversions and find the files need much less work for my vision.

Does anyone know of a good raw converter comparison? I'm not really considering it but i'm curious.



Jun 21, 2012 at 08:17 PM
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p.1 #10 · Nex Processing Thread


Phillip Reeve wrote:
Does anyone know of a good raw converter comparison? I'm not really considering it but i'm curious.


Thom Hogan used to compare raw converters for Nikon raw files:

http://www.bythom.com/raw.htm

I think he said he stopped doing the comparisons because it was too difficult to keep up with all of the changes in the software programs. Also, different converters would perform differently for different camera raw files.

The other issue is that some converters may have great raw conversion engines but clunky interfaces, like RPP (duck for cover) and in some instances there may be a (real or perceived) trade off between absolute image quality and ease of workflow.

I have four different raw converters on my computer and one of the first things I do with any new camera is try the converting the cameras raw files in the different converters and compare them. To my eye, C1 beats ACR (or Lightroom's engine) by a not small amount and I don't understand why more people don't take advantage of the free trial download to see for themselves.

And despite my strong feelings, I have no connection whatsoever to Phase One.



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p.1 #11 · Nex Processing Thread


Hi Jim. For me flow is the same. On a technical level one can be slightly more careless with the exposure with a Sony APS-C than eg with a Canon APS-C in extreme lighting conditions as examplified in the sunset shot above. If that is your thing. But both cams can produce equally good image. If you care about what you do the difference is academical. As academical as couting grains in a ISO3200 shot. Could be useful, but nobody cares.

With a Canon FF (or perhaps 1.3 crop) the virtues are on a different level.

Flow: always RAW from both cams (5N, 5D2). Selection of shots in Bridge. Basic adjustments in ACR. Then PS which can be 1 to 30 minutes.



Jun 21, 2012 at 09:07 PM
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p.1 #12 · Nex Processing Thread


Thanks to all for your comments.Very helpful.

Wfrank - i just got CS5 and i did not even know what Bridge was-- so thanks i think that was the missing link for me.

Someone wanted to know what my workflow was with Canon.Always shoot raw and then i got very good results with DPP, this is why i knew nothing about CS5 because i never used it.
-Jim



Jun 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM
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p.1 #13 · Nex Processing Thread


Nice result Phillip R!

I use raw photo processor but I can't seem to get such nice high iso conversions as what's possible. The low iso stuff I'm pleased with.



Jun 21, 2012 at 11:52 PM
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p.1 #14 · Nex Processing Thread


bumping this thread again.

I'm still using the profiles linked above by phllip r. LR as a converter w/ no sharpening and generally sharpen/downsize in PS.

anyone found any new processes?



Oct 11, 2012 at 07:24 PM
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p.1 #15 · Nex Processing Thread


LR4.2 typically I expose for the highlights, set WB, a small contrast boost(+0 to +7),
Shadow boost if required, blacks(-5 to -10), vibrancy and saturation (+3 to +10),
Sometimes a boost/cut of a select color, sharpen if I want it.
Keep in mind I develop for my calibrated screen, my web uploads are just defaults.



Oct 11, 2012 at 08:10 PM
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p.1 #16 · Nex Processing Thread


Phillip Reeve wrote:
Adobes default color profile for the Nex-5n sucks. We discussed the topic in the Nex-discussion thread a while ago, Maurizio Piraccini created some profiles which are an improvement but they don't work well all the time.
Now i use a profile created by itemsis, a user of a german forum, his post can be found here, the direct link to his profile is this one.
in my opinion it gives much better skin tones than Maurizios profiles, i use it all the time and rarely use another one.


Thanks for this Philip. Have used Maurizio's profiles for my NEX-7, but have felt that they were all slightly off. As I'm using a NEX-5n temporarily, I'll try this profile instead. Any idea if they are interchangeable between the cameras?



Oct 11, 2012 at 08:12 PM
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p.1 #17 · Nex Processing Thread


Lr 4.2 comes with some new profiles which are definitely an improvement over the old default profile, but haven't compared them with my other profiles in detail.

I don't know if you can simply use a 5n-profile for your 7 and how the results would look like.

here are some screenshot out of LR:

Bearbeitungen_Wales_10 by Phillip Reeve, on Flickr


Bearbeitungen_Wales_11 by Phillip Reeve, on Flickr


Bearbeitungen_Wales_2 by Phillip Reeve, on Flickr


Bearbeitungen_Wales_1 by Phillip Reeve, on Flickr


1Oktober_3_Voigtlaender_15mm_f4.5_LR by Phillip Reeve, on Flickr


Teneriffa_3_p by Phillip Reeve, on Flickr



Bearbeitungen_Wales_3 by Phillip Reeve, on Flickr



Oct 11, 2012 at 09:47 PM
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p.1 #18 · Nex Processing Thread


Philip, your generosity in sharing your PP skills, at which you are so good, is really appreciated! Thank you!


Oct 12, 2012 at 08:42 AM
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p.1 #19 · Nex Processing Thread


+1, Thanks Phillip. In case you've missed it, thanks for turning me on to MD lenses on the NEX.


Oct 12, 2012 at 01:55 PM
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p.1 #20 · Nex Processing Thread


I didn't know there are new profiles, I'll have to look into that, I'm using a Nex-7 profile I found that I'm so far happy with.


Oct 12, 2012 at 02:38 PM
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