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douglasf13 wrote:
FWIW, the f1.8-4.9 aperture on this camera is about equal to f4.9-f13.4 on 35mm.


Another way to look at this would be that at its wide-end it is equivalent to f3.2 on NEX so about 0.25 stop faster than the NEX kit lens. On the long side the NEX kit lens is around 85mm equivalent and at that mark RX100 is likely to be around 1 stop slower than the NEX kit lens. Though the RX100 has a longer range of up to 100mm. So we have a camera which is fairly close to a NEX + kit lens combination in DOF and SNR terms and yet is tiny in comparison. I think thats impressive. At its wide end It is also only 0.4 stop worse in SNR and DOF capabilities compared to a NEX + the sigma 19mm 2.8.

Personally I am looking at it as a replacement for my wife's s95 for which it looks to be a great candidate as long as the price is not too high.



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Jun 06, 2012 at 04:25 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Wow is that right, in terms of DoF, it's only .4 stop worse than a APS-C + Sigma 19mm? So that would be like running an APS-C + Sigma 19mm at F3.5?


Jun 06, 2012 at 04:33 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Sony Zeiss RX100


lol woah this sucker is $650 but the flash vaguely looks like the NEX-7 design which means you can bounce it.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/06/Sony-DSC-RX100-preview-with-sample-images

Hmm twice the size sensor as the X10.


Already a full review:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-rx100/sony-rx100A.HTM

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Jun 06, 2012 at 04:42 AM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Sony Zeiss RX100


FlyPenFly wrote:
Wow is that right, in terms of DoF, it's only .4 stop worse than a APS-C + Sigma 19mm? So that would be like running an APS-C + Sigma 19mm at F3.5?


It is like running the APS-C + sigma 19mm at f3.2 actually The crop factor between Nex and this camera is around 1.77x. Compared to Canon the crop factor is around 1.7 so its wide end is roughly equivalent to an 18mm f3 lens on canon APS-C DSLR.


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Jun 06, 2012 at 04:47 AM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Sony Zeiss RX100


douglasf13 wrote:
I'd imagine the X10 samples that you're talking about must have been taken up close, no?



This is the X10 image that I thought had an almost APS-C shallow enough DoF look:

It's from Loosh.

These X10 samples are also amazing: http://www.frankdoorhof.com/site/2012/04/fuji-x10-review/




Jun 06, 2012 at 04:48 AM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Sony Zeiss RX100


X10 should have some advantage over the RX100 in terms of shallower-DOF at the telephoto end.


Jun 06, 2012 at 05:15 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Sony Zeiss RX100


According to DPR's comparison table on the first page of their preview, http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-dsc-rx100/, it's only a half stop advantage for the X10.

The camera looks interesting. Had it been available last fall I would have considered it over the Oly XZ-1 for the GF... but honestly am put off by the lack of EVF add-on option for my own use. I don't care how bright the screen is made to be in full sunlight, I just hate the P&S stance required with the rear LCDs when shooting. Agreed - a tilt display would have been a partially acceptable compromise.



Jun 06, 2012 at 05:30 AM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Yeah, f2.8 on the X10 is about f4 on the RX100, but the RX100 only goes down to f4.9 at the long end. Still, this is quite a camera for being so pocketable, IMO.




Jun 06, 2012 at 07:21 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Looks like a serious contender to the Nikon 1 system.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jun 06, 2012 at 07:38 AM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Sony Zeiss RX100


millsart wrote:
with no stabilization listed on a 1" sensor.


It does have image stabilization

Key Features:
1" Exmor CMOS sensor
20.9 million effective pixels
28-100mm (equiv), f/1.8-4.9 Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* lens with 'Advanced Aspherical' element
Steady-Shot image stabilization
Contrast-detection AF with 25 points, including tracking and flexible spot options
ISO 100-6400 (up to ISO 25,600 using multi-frame noise-reduction)
Face Recognition and Face Registration (up to 8 faces)
Rear control dial and customizable front 'Control Ring'
10fps continuous shooting in 'Speed Priority' mode
3in, 1228.8K-dot 'WhiteMagic' LCD screen
13 Picture Effects with 27 variations
Memory Recall feature can store up to three groups of custom settings
1080 60p video (AVCHD) with MP4 option
Built-in stereo microphone
330-shot battery life (CIPA)



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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Sony Zeiss RX100


I'm not sure why (maybe the lighting?) but that x10 image really has my attention. Its not so much the composition but the rendering that seems very good. Is that typical of the x10 ?

FlyPenFly wrote:
This is the X10 image that I thought had an almost APS-C shallow enough DoF look:

It's from Loosh.

These X10 samples are also amazing: http://www.frankdoorhof.com/site/2012/04/fuji-x10-review/

http://nickroessler.smugmug.com/Events/2012/052012-Misc/i-KSjr3zZ/0/XL/DSCF5044-XL.jpg




Jun 06, 2012 at 11:46 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Could be fuji's special sensors, read the dpreview preview on it, it has a very unique sensor layout.


Jun 06, 2012 at 11:49 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Interesting, at base ISO, if you look at actual final resolved detail, the X10 seems better and has less CA and spherical aberrations.

Check out the writing on the wine bottle, the small writing, it's clearer in the X10.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-rx100/FULLRES/RX100INBI0125.HTM

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/X10/FULLRES/X10INBI00100.HTM

I wonder if this could be from Sony's shitty JPEG engine or Fuji's stronger JPEG contrast?

But then you look at something like this and there's far more detail available on the labels on the RX100.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-rx100/FULLRES/RX100hSLI0125NR2D.HTM

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/X10/FULLRES/X10hSLI00100.HTM




Jun 06, 2012 at 12:15 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Sony announces Cyber shot DSC RX100 large sensor enthusiast compact:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/06/Sony-announces-DSC-RX100-large-sensor-compact

Sony DSC RX100 preview with sample images:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/06/Sony-DSC-RX100-preview-with-sample-images




Jun 06, 2012 at 01:15 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Sony Zeiss RX100


FlyPenFly wrote:
But then you look at something like this and there's far more detail available on the labels on the RX100.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-rx100/FULLRES/RX100hSLI0125NR2D.HTM

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/X10/FULLRES/X10hSLI00100.HTM



The Sony RAW looks pretty impressive. Those guys really know how to build a sensor.



Jun 06, 2012 at 01:39 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this.

20mpx 1" sensor with full manual controls in a rain or sports coat pocket. Would probably even fit in your back jeans pocket...

Wish it had a hotshoe but as long as it can trigger a slave flash, probably not a big deal.



Jun 06, 2012 at 02:11 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Yakim Peled wrote:
Looks like a serious contender to the Nikon 1 system.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


or you could say it makes the j1 look reasonable, it still has better focus contionous tracking.



Jun 06, 2012 at 02:14 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Good news from the IR review is extremely fast buffer clearing time - even in RAW. Often a weak point in these cameras. Test images look pretty darn good as well.

Not sure I have a great need for this camera, I rarely use my LX3 as it is, but this is getting pretty close to a sweet spot between my m43 and phone that I might actually use.

As a side note I actually like the USB charging in this case. For me such a camera would be a travel back up and I'd prefer not to bring a separate charger. I suspect, however, if this were a primary camera that would be an annoyance. Hopefully an optional external charger will be available.

Ken



Jun 06, 2012 at 02:28 PM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Swapping a battery out takes like 4 seconds out of the body, not sure why you would need an extra charger?

I really like that some of these new cameras are using internal chargers.

If you travel with a phone/tablet that uses MicroUSB charging like a lot of androids, this is a god send.



Jun 06, 2012 at 02:35 PM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Sony Zeiss RX100


To be honest I could have wished for them to have used a bigger sensor to improve IQ rather than just as a means to double the megapixel 'wow' effect for consumers.


Jun 06, 2012 at 03:30 PM
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