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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Sony Zeiss RX100


http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-full-rx100-leak/




Looks like a nice camera with 20mpx with a 29-105mm range at F1.8 to F4.9. Wish it had an EVF and Flip screen.

Sensor size is the same as the Nikon V1.

Interesting competition to the Fuji X10.



Jun 04, 2012 at 06:23 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Did Sony provide Nikon the V1 sensor ? Perhaps its not just the same size but the same actual chip ?

I tried a V1 and it was a pretty cool little camera. Felt really nice in hand, very fast AF, just lack of any good lenses really dragged it down. All and all it was a bit of a fast AF p&s with its current lenses which for the price really didn't do it for me.

This looks to be another camera that while able to deliver some better than compact IQ just seems like it would be something of a frustration given the lack of any VF and also a rather slow lens on the long end.

One thing m4/3 taught us, is that even with decent IQ from a smaller sensor, you really need fast glass options over a wide focal length to really make it take off.




Jun 04, 2012 at 06:34 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Sony Zeiss RX100


This could be a pretty neat alternative for my wife's purse camera, if it's really the size of the Canon S95, only 5mm deeper. Selfishly, all of the family pics that I'm in are with cheap cell phone and P&S cameras, so maybe I'll actually have some decent pics of myself.


Jun 04, 2012 at 06:53 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Sony Zeiss RX100


The Nikon V1 sensor is from Aptina. This one is from sony and has almost twice # of pixels but I don't think it has the on-sensor phase detection that the Aptina chip has.

millsart wrote:
Did Sony provide Nikon the V1 sensor ? Perhaps its not just the same size but the same actual chip ?

I tried a V1 and it was a pretty cool little camera. Felt really nice in hand, very fast AF, just lack of any good lenses really dragged it down. All and all it was a bit of a fast AF p&s with its current lenses which for the price really didn't do it for me.

This looks to be another camera that while able to deliver some better than compact IQ just seems like it would be something of a
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Jun 04, 2012 at 06:57 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Hmm which one has more shallow DoF at the long end? The Sony or the Fuji X10?


Jun 04, 2012 at 08:15 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Sony Zeiss RX100


FlyPenFly wrote:
Hmm which one has more shallow DoF at the long end? The Sony or the Fuji X10?



Or more so, whats ultimately more useful overall, a f2.8 stabilized lens on a smaller 2/3rd sensor or a f4.9 lens, with no stabilization listed on a 1" sensor.




Jun 04, 2012 at 08:19 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Sony Zeiss RX100


wish it was weatherproof.


Jun 04, 2012 at 08:21 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Sony Zeiss RX100


where is the 20-60mm FF equiv, and a tilt screen version of this camera


Jun 04, 2012 at 08:27 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Size wise, this thing is a little bit bigger than S100 which is a nice surprise.


Jun 04, 2012 at 08:27 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Sony Zeiss RX100


One sharp screen, Monitors - LCD (4:3), 3.0-inch, 1,229,000 dots.

I think I'd prefer the 24mm wide lens of the S100 though but I guess that's the compromise for the bigger sensor.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Sony Zeiss RX100


FlyPenFly wrote:
Size wise, this thing is a little bit bigger than S100 which is a nice surprise.


If Sony can squeeze APS-C into a NEX sized body I guess its no surprise they can achieve such a thin body with the 1" sensor. Only downsize, somewhat like the NEX, is that they can't seem to get around the size of the lenses needed to cover the image circle.

Make this thing not only with the body thickness of the S100, but also with the lens retracting into the body the same way and I'd darn sure buy one as a pocket camera



Jun 04, 2012 at 08:33 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Sony Zeiss RX100


I believe the RX100's lens does retract into the body up to that knurled portion, making it only a few millimeters deeper than the S100.


Jun 04, 2012 at 08:42 PM
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douglasf13 wrote:
I believe the RX100's lens does retract into the body up to that knurled portion, making it only a few millimeters deeper than the S100.


Which is good and impressive of course, but I still rather wish for truly flush bodies. I know that a bit of a bulge is a compromise that can't always be avoided, but for things like jeans or dress slack a nice flush body certainly rides a bit better in the pocket and is easier to slip in/out.



Jun 04, 2012 at 08:53 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Sony Zeiss RX100


millsart wrote:
Which is good and impressive of course, but I still rather wish for truly flush bodies. I know that a bit of a bulge is a compromise that can't always be avoided, but for things like jeans or dress slack a nice flush body certainly rides a bit better in the pocket and is easier to slip in/out.


I carried my S90 in my right jeans pockets all the time. Now I don't have the camera anymore but the washed/faded color still shows from the lens



Jun 04, 2012 at 09:05 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Sony Zeiss RX100


sweet! this looks way more attractive to me than the canon gx1 or whatever it's called. will have to see one to decide if it's still too big.


Jun 04, 2012 at 09:12 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Sony Zeiss RX100


When I first glanced at the picture of this camera, I thought it must have been mixed up with one of the Samsung models. Something about it does not look "Sony".


Jun 04, 2012 at 10:17 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Being about the same size as the S100, but about 7mm deeper, it'll still be way smaller than a NEX-7 without any lens attached at all:

link to size



Jun 04, 2012 at 10:23 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Sony Zeiss RX100


FWIW, the f1.8-4.9 aperture on this camera is about equal to f4.9-f13.4 on 35mm.


Jun 04, 2012 at 10:49 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Sony Zeiss RX100


In terms of DoF.

So what about on the X10, I've seen samples where it has the almost APS-C look of almost shallow dof.



Jun 04, 2012 at 11:14 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Sony Zeiss RX100


FlyPenFly wrote:
In terms of DoF.

So what about on the X10, I've seen samples where it has the almost APS-C look of almost shallow dof.


The aperture equivalents essentially indicate lowlight performance, too. Meaning, this sensor at ISO 200 will likely perform similarly to the same sensor technology scaled up to 35mm at ISO 1600-ish. So, I could set a D800 to f5, ISO 1600 with a 30mm lens to get an idea how this new Sony camera will perform wide open...at least roughly. In fact, on DxO Mark, the D800 at ISO 1600 is almost identical in SNR to the Nikon V1 at ISO 200.

I'd imagine the X10 samples that you're talking about must have been taken up close, no?



Jun 04, 2012 at 11:36 PM
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