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You seem to be under the illusion I'm knocking the d800 and that you need to defend it; I'm not and you don't.
I'll be very clear because you seem to have misunderstood. I am not saying there aren't differences in the sensors.
I am not saying the d800 sensor isn't better. I AM saying that the two files you posted are not an indicator of the differences between the sensors - the vast, vast majority of the difference is in your post production.
You do realize that the files I posted were straight out of camera, un-processed in any way, right?
If you pixel peep I'm sure you can see differences still, even if they were post produced to the same standard, but what you posted was one shot that looked great and one which looked terrible. The d800 looked great and the 5d3 looked terrible. The 5d3 files are not terrible - it was the post production (and partly expecting that they should use the same exposure) that caused them to look that way.
See above comment.
Whether the 5d3 files would ever look *quite* as good as the d800 (or the other way around) is unknown, but I can clearly say that my 5d1, 5d2 and 5d3 files do not look anywhere near as poor quality as the shot you posted. So, my conclusion that it's post production has to be correct, unless your camera is faulty.
This is the "unknown" that I've been researching, personally, to find out the difference. Coming in here and telling me I'm crazing for seeing a difference, I dunno, just seems weird. Pretty sure my cameras are not faulty either
With respect, as you say that I can't compare the two cameras unless I've used them, I would likewise highlight that someone who hasn't heard about colour calibration with a colour checker passport (and presumably other similar methods) can't have looked at post production that deeply, so I'd question your ability to compare the look from the two cameras ... sorry but the files you post draw me to that conclusion.
Some people call it one thing, I might understand it as "another" thing. I actually did tests with the "Passport" back in 2009/2010, so yes, I do know what it is.
If you're going to compare two things, you have to be fair to them both
I'm sorry if side-by-side shots of straight-out-of-camera files isn't a fair test to make between two cameras.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, and I'm certainly not one to be confrontational or argumentative... but, the main thing I understood from your comments were that you didn't think I knew anything about post processing, or color, or drawing conclusions about differences in color between the two files, or that I wasn't enlightened about LR4 and it's "amazing" new capabilities and speed. Not to mention that you were the one that started "defending" Canon. I simply stated that there IS a difference in the sensors, and not just something that is be duplicated in post-processing, which is why I asked if you had tested the files side-by-side.
Just posting what I found between the two cameras. Didn't mean to rub you the wrong way :/