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p.11 #1 · $99 or $500 Gimbal


Ok
Just recieved my cheap knock-off gimbal (beike-45). and is it ever sweet.
works perfect and i have no problem hanging a Canon 1Ds Mark III and a Canon 300mm f2.8L IS from its swing arm. With complete confidence I might add......
Thanks for the heads up.
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Nov 14, 2012 at 06:38 PM
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Sure, NP. Glad you're enjoying the gimbalisms! Gim-bal-istic!!!



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BTW,
Since we've previously discussed it in this thread a few pages back I've tried it on a monopod and it works very nicely! The curved L shape of the main arm fits nicely when leaned over my shoulder, it doesn't seem to add any noticeable weight to larger lenses and the mechanics work nicely. With the lens properly balanced, aiming the camera too high or low requires a monopod height adjustment (tho I can't imagine a head that wouldn't) but other than that all things were groovy!



Nov 14, 2012 at 07:22 PM
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Ah, I forgot to clarify what I was talking about in my earlier post regarding panoramas.

The camera needs to be dead center in the rotational axis to prevent parallax errors. To confirm this, you need to pop off the plastic "Beike" badge (so that you can see the screw head) and follow the instructions on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jAhwFLimM0

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Nov 14, 2012 at 09:28 PM
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Yeah, this is one reason it's important to have a tripod socket (on the camera) that's centered with the lens axis. There are plates which allow a centimeter or so of offset which should be enough to center up most cameras - not really sure about the OM-D tho which has a socket that's quite a ways over to one side. Maybe an OM-D owner could offer comment...



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That said, this centering is only really important when there are subject elements close to the camera. If all the elements are more than about 8 or 10 meters away then a centimeter or two to the right or left plus the lens node alignment (see video) aren't very critical.



Nov 15, 2012 at 10:55 PM
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Hi. I bought the BK-45 and tried it with a Canon 7D and a Canon 500 mm F4 IS II. The first thing I noticed is that the supplied lens plate has squishy rubber on it and no matter how hard I tighten it, there is still flex movement. The next thing I noticed is that the bevel tightener for attaching the mounting plate has play in it and even when fully tightened there is vertical movement. In fact there is enough play that the side of the lens almost hits the upper column. The distance between the side of the lens and the column has about 7 mm of horizontal play just from the slack in the bevel clamp. The next issue is when you tighten or loosen the top knob, there is enough slop in the bearing surface that the vertical arm swings in and out about 6mm off vertical. My conclusion is this product may work for small lenses but is not designed for anything serious. I disposed of it and ordered the Jobu Pro 2. The same rule seems to always hold true that the cheapest tool is the most expensive one. My gimbal head ended up costing $700 instead of $600 because I wasted $100 buying a BK-45


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gordone,
Not only you. I have also wasted $100 too. After 2 weeks of usage, lower knob got jammed and cannot rotate the head anymore. 'cheap' and 'good' never go together.



Feb 03, 2013 at 05:22 AM
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Hi,

I'm still using mine for the lighter lenses (<5 lbs), but still rely on the big Jobu for the heavy stuff (400mm f2.8 and up to 800mm f5.6). For about $100.00, it fills a niche for me, but it is not a solution for everyone. As always...YMMV...

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Feb 03, 2013 at 04:34 PM
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The OP was written in 2008 -- still the same decision, the same choice between gimbals exists. I did not find many other alternatives without going up significantly in price. I am sure the Wimberleys are really well made, superior products, and I appreciate that they are manufactured in the US.

There is a price for quality though. Instead of one of the top brands, I bought the cheap chinease [] alternative, the Beike BK-45 on the *Bay. It cost about 1/6 of the price of the WH200 @ a top NYC mail order outfit, B&H (BTW, I priced both on 2013.02.10). B&H carries the WH200 for $594.90 + free shipping in the US. I paid $97.00 with free shipping from some *Bay vendor, you can find a similar price pretty easily I'd guess, but it would pay to look elsewhere: just reading reviews to ease post purchase anxiety, I found it online for US$70.00 + ~$13.00 shipping, so a few dollars cheaper.

Part in hand, I mounted my trusty Nikkor 500mm ƒ4.0 P with TC1.4 and set up to shoot the bird feeder from the living room (meh). I noticed immediately that I was getting too much movement at 1/60" to get a sharp photo. Is it the gimbal? I checked all lock knobs, they are tight, no noticeable movement. The lens is mounted on a 3" Arca Swiss type plate mounted on the foot of the 500, it shows no flex or movement and neither it nor the lens foot has never been an issue. I screwed the gimbal firmly to my (previously) trusty Gitzo GT2530EX. I believe the tripod flexes too much for the D3 + 500 ƒ4 P + gimbal combination, so the vibration would be the same issue with a much more expensive part: the tripod is just beyond its capacity to resist the torquing forces to remain stable. I'm confident the tripod would hold much more weight (*like my RB SD + 180mm + SD back or 8x10 Ansco with 19" brass lens.)

So the upshot is that the gimbal seems to be a good buy. The grippy coating probably also insulates the metal well. I would prefer large, rubber coated, round locking knobs for the 4 adjustments, but the two most commonly used knobs, to lock swing and rotate seem to work well (2" x 6 lobe and 1.5" x 5 lobe, respectively). The mount plate lock is round with a ribbed-rubber ring, and a pretty standard size. It works well. I take the most issue with the rise/fall lock knob (~1 3/8" x 2 lobe). This adjustment hold the camera + lens at a given height, bearing their entire weight, but it is bit hard to lock/unlock when you have to really apply enough clamping force to hold for certain. This is not a deal-breaker though.

Second real problem with the gimbal itself is mentioned in the OP: the distance to the center of the mount clamp from the swing arm -- about 58mm. This is a cm or two too small to mount my D3 (pro-level body) directly on the gimbal.

The BK45 seems like a pretty good effort, I imagine it will work as intended when I get my tripod issues sorted: looking at a Series 5 leg set, see if that works to kill the vibration. I think for the money it would be hard to beat.



Feb 11, 2013 at 07:38 PM
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I just bought my 2nd Wimberley Gimbal II head 7 days ago & received it 3 days ago.
Wife uses one Gimbal & I use the other.

Naturescapes.com is running a storewide 10% off discount for those who type LOYALTY in the discount code box.

The wife & I are very satisfied Wimberley gear owners & very happy Naturescapes customers too.



Feb 20, 2013 at 03:45 AM
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p.11 #10 · $99 or $500 Gimbal


ToeTag wrote:
The OP was written in 2008 -- still the same decision, the same choice between gimbals exists. I did not find many other alternatives without going up significantly in price. I am sure the Wimberleys are really well made, superior products, and I appreciate that they are manufactured in the US.

There is a price for quality though. Instead of one of the top brands, I bought the cheap chinease [] alternative, the Beike BK-45 on the *Bay. It cost about 1/6 of the price of the WH200 @ a top NYC mail order outfit, B&H (BTW, I priced both on 2013.02.10). B&H carries the WH200 for $594.90 + free shipping in the US. I paid $97.00 with free shipping from some *Bay vendor, you can find a similar price pretty easily I'd guess, but it would pay to look elsewhere: just reading reviews to ease post purchase anxiety, I found it online for US$70.00 + ~$13.00 shipping, so a few dollars cheaper.

Part in hand, I mounted my trusty Nikkor 500mm ƒ4.0 P with TC1.4 and set up to shoot the bird feeder from the living room (meh). I noticed immediately that I was getting too much movement at 1/60" to get a sharp photo. Is it the gimbal? I checked all lock knobs, they are tight, no noticeable movement. The lens is mounted on a 3" Arca Swiss type plate mounted on the foot of the 500, it shows no flex or movement and neither it nor the lens foot has never been an issue. I screwed the gimbal firmly to my (previously) trusty Gitzo GT2530EX. I believe the tripod flexes too much for the D3 + 500 ƒ4 P + gimbal combination, so the vibration would be the same issue with a much more expensive part: the tripod is just beyond its capacity to resist the torquing forces to remain stable. I'm confident the tripod would hold much more weight (*like my RB SD + 180mm + SD back or 8x10 Ansco with 19" brass lens.)

So the upshot is that the gimbal seems to be a good buy. The grippy coating probably also insulates the metal well. I would prefer large, rubber coated, round locking knobs for the 4 adjustments, but the two most commonly used knobs, to lock swing and rotate seem to work well (2" x 6 lobe and 1.5" x 5 lobe, respectively). The mount plate lock is round with a ribbed-rubber ring, and a pretty standard size. It works well. I take the most issue with the rise/fall lock knob (~1 3/8" x 2 lobe). This adjustment hold the camera + lens at a given height, bearing their entire weight, but it is bit hard to lock/unlock when you have to really apply enough clamping force to hold for certain. This is not a deal-breaker though.

Second real problem with the gimbal itself is mentioned in the OP: the distance to the center of the mount clamp from the swing arm -- about 58mm. This is a cm or two too small to mount my D3 (pro-level body) directly on the gimbal.

The BK45 seems like a pretty good effort, I imagine it will work as intended when I get my tripod issues sorted: looking at a Series 5 leg set, see if that works to kill the vibration. I think for the money it would be hard to beat.


+1. Great value. My wife was so impressed she purchased one for use with her scope as the Mandfrotto pistol grips (2) & ball head lost fine focus when tightening/locking on to shoot thru the scope with a P&S for bird ID purposes.



Mar 13, 2013 at 12:39 AM
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