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Looking at the Wimberley website, I can find no claims as to country of manufacture... hmmmm Interesting. I did "test drive" a wimberley head recently and sent it back, just couldn't justify the price over the Sidekick for my limited use.
Didn't mean to re-direct your thread Bif,
NP, There's actually no intended direction... It's just wherever it happens to go.
I've got a little sore spot from a recent financial loss via Chinese intellectual property theft. The culprit on the Western side is in jail while case after case is being thrown out of Chinese courts
Buying Chinese products is unavoidable anymore but I'm now a lot more careful and will pay more for the same product made almost ANYWHERE else.
Smiert Spionam wrote:
The Wimberley catalog says that everything is made in the US. This is a long-standing company policy, as far as I know.
"Hi guys. Just a little heads up. I recently tried the Beike BK-45 gimbal head which costs $100 delivered. It's a chinese knock-off of the $550 Wimberley WH-200 version II head as is the $490 Induro GHB2. Guess what.. It's actually better than the Wimberley. So the only downside might be that it's a chinese knock-off. I say "might be" because I think the Wimberley may also be made in China - the Induro GHB2 is."
Spend your money however you want -- but I get really tired of seeing people justify intellectual property theft by obscuring the origins of the real thing. People pulled the same crap in trying to justify buying Benro copies of Gitzo designs, and it was bullshit then, too.
And even if Wimberley products were made in China, the copies would still be knock-offs. How can a photographer be so ignorant of intellectual property?
Cool! So there are people who think like I do. Nice! Every time I say such things I usually just hear something like: "STFU and get with globalism" said in different ways of course...
Lars Johnsson wrote:
I have used a couple of the Chinese Wimberley knock-off that they have in Bangkok. It's a big difference from the original. But they cost a lot less also.
I don't know for sure but I belive the original is made in USA. Wimberley heads are at least 20 years old and have been around a long time. Induro is of course made in China. It's a Chinese company.
I don't really get it when you say "it might be a knock-off " If you are saying it could be the real thing. Then you are wrong. It does not look the same as the original Wimberley head
This sentence: "So the only downside might be that it's a chinese knock-off. I say "might be" because I think the Wimberley may also be made in China - the Induro GHB2 is." ?
That "might be" is qualifying the advantage or disadvantage of such a purchase decision. It's a fact that this and the Induro are knock-offs. And that would be a downside IMO because buying copied designs where royalties were not paid for is unethical IMO. Basically you're supporting crooks besides paying for the prosperity of other countries over your own: "Made In China". So there's two things at play there. Most people don't share one or both, of my ethical positions on this subject so for them it "might be" a downside or not - depending.
Sorry for the confusion.
BTW, What differences did you notice between the knock-offs you used and the original Wimberley, and which head type were they (based on which Wimberley model)?
Lars Johnsson wrote:
Why do you think Wimberley are made in China? Wimberley say that they are made in USA.
I didn't think either way. I looked on their site and it didn't say either way. As mentioned above I guess it's in their catalog.
Induro is of course made in China. It's a Chinese company with tripods and heads from China.
I belive the American brands like Wimberley, Kirk or RRS are all made in the USA.
And I don't mind buying equipment from Chinese or other Asian countries. As long as they are not just cheap copy knock-offs
The 3-4 Chinese knock-offs that I have tried in Thailand are less good that the original. The paning and panning knob is not at all as smooth. And the same goes for the tilt and tilt knob. The balance and vertical adjustment is not as good as the original when using a big lens. And the plattform with the Arca-Swiss style clamp is often not good at all.
It cost a lot less of course. But I would not use it for my super-tele lenses. A super-tele lens and a camera often cost $ 10-15k . And then the savings on the knock-off head isn't worth it (IMO). When using smaller and cheaper tele lenses it can be worth it. But with those lenses you don't really need a full wimberley head
Thanks! On this particular one the height adjustment slider is a little sticky due to a lower level of surface finishing on those parts but the knobs, frictions, and tolerances are the same as the Wimberley - or real damn close anyway. It's better than the Induro. The surface coating on the main arm is superior to Wimberley's imo.
In my case the super-teles I have are older models costing about $1K a piece ± $500, and yet still require or at least benefit from, the full sized gimbal.