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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Hi everyone. I've just posted a comparison of Canon's 5D Mark III and 1D Mark IV at high ISOs. As opposed to other tests that use a bunch of studio shots, I devised my test to be relevant to bird photographers. Click on this link to read the comparison. The results may surprise you!


Apr 05, 2012 at 01:08 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Nice test and to be honest no surprises on the high ISO performance. Although I may consider the 5D III as a replacement for my 1Ds Mk2 or 5D II - it will not tempt me to replace my 1D Mk4 for wildlife photography. However - I'm still holding my breath on the 1DX!


Apr 05, 2012 at 01:33 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Last summer I attempted to test the 1DIV with the 200L IS at iso6400 and iso12800 and the mesquitoes ate me alive.

Theory and application are worlds apart.

Not replacing my 1DIII.



Apr 05, 2012 at 01:34 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Canon has yet to release a true successor to the 1D4. The 1DX/5D3 makes a nice complimentary body to it though.


Apr 05, 2012 at 02:35 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


The 5D is a wonderful camera. But for birders, is there a better camera out there at the moment that will give you the reach, frame rate, and quality of the Mark IV? Convince me, and I'll sell my beloved IV.
John



Apr 05, 2012 at 02:36 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Oh BTW, thank u birdwhisperer for the test.
John



Apr 05, 2012 at 02:37 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Psychic1 wrote:
...and the mesquitoes ate me alive.
...

I love the smell of mosquitoes roasting on an open fire!



Apr 05, 2012 at 02:39 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Doug, thank you for a splendidly done and well explained comparison. Your conclusions seem right on the money to me.
For situations where I am not in any way focal length limited and don't need more than 6 fps, I will go for my 5DIII (once I have a fully functional body - mine has a glitch), and when I feel the need for 10 fps or am FL limited, I'll continue to favor my 1DIV.



Apr 05, 2012 at 02:48 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Nice test.

By any chance did you look at out of camera JPGs as well?

Read often that the 5D III has a improved jpg engine,wonder how they would compare in your test.

I'm all for shooting RAW and processing but if the jpg engine
is improved to such an extent that it's unessessary
then I'd love to save that time and have a much longer burst rate.



Apr 05, 2012 at 02:52 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


excellent comparison Doug.


Apr 05, 2012 at 03:49 PM
 

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JackCnd wrote:
Nice test.

By any chance did you look at out of camera JPGs as well?

Read often that the 5D III has a improved jpg engine,wonder how they would compare in your test.

I'm all for shooting RAW and processing but if the jpg engine
is improved to such an extent that it's unessessary
then I'd love to save that time and have a much longer burst rate.


Professional photographers don't bother with JPEG format. You cannot enter your photographs in reputable competitions or publish them in reputable magazines if they were shot in JPEG because authenticity cannot be verified. You cannot do much post processing to compressed 8Bit files either, the data is already corrupted. The fine detail rendition in JPEG files is poor due to heavy noise reduction so it is not usable for professional avian photography...


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Apr 05, 2012 at 03:52 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Thanks for the test. It seems, if focal length limited, the 5D MKIII is pretty close. I didn't notice much difference up to 6400 but perhaps I'm looking in the wrong area?

Probably the bigger issue is AF - both in terms of accuracy and the lack of f8. Of course, you are also short 4 fps and the weather sealing.

Thanks again,
Chris



Apr 05, 2012 at 03:53 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Arash, yikes!

Data never is...Data are!

datum is...



Apr 05, 2012 at 04:39 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Professional photographers don't bother with JPEG format.

A bit extreme, if you ask me...

John



Apr 05, 2012 at 04:52 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


rdcny wrote:
Arash, yikes!

Data never is...Data are!

datum is...


Not necessarily, in image processing we use data as a singular entity or mass of information

from wiki:

Data is most often used as a singular mass noun in educated everyday usage. Some major newspapers such as The New York Times use it either in the singular or plural. In the New York Times the phrases "the survey data are still being analyzed" and "the first year for which data is available" have appeared within one day. In scientific writing data is often treated as a plural, as in These data do not support the conclusions, but it is also used as a singular mass entity like information. British usage now widely accepts treating data as singular in standard English,[11] including everyday newspaper usage[12] at least in non-scientific use.[13] UK scientific publishing still prefers treating it as a plural.[14] Some UK university style guides recommend using data for both singular and plural use[15] and some recommend treating it only as a singular in connection with computers.



Apr 05, 2012 at 04:54 PM
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speedmaster20d wrote:
Professional photographers don't bother with JPEG format. You cannot enter your photographs in reputable competitions or publish them in reputable magazines if they were shot in JPEG because authenticity cannot be verified. You cannot do much post processing to compressed 8Bit files either, the data is already corrupted. The fine detail rendition in JPEG files is poor due to heavy noise reduction so it is not usable for professional avian photography...



The February 2012 issue of Smithsonian's "Air & Space Magazine" had no problems with my MKIII or MKIV jpegs.



Apr 05, 2012 at 05:23 PM
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speedmaster20d wrote:
You cannot enter your photographs in reputable competitions or publish them in reputable magazines if they were shot in JPEG because authenticity cannot be verified.





Apr 05, 2012 at 05:43 PM
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mark fadely wrote:
The February 2012 issue of Smithsonian's "Air & Space Magazine" had no problems with my MKIII or MKIV jpegs.



That is not a photography magazine. There are hundreds of thousands of magazines like that, they often don't pay much for submissions... example of a reputable photography magazine : National Geographic.

Any ways, neither Doug nor I nor any photographer that I know shoot in JPEG mode or care about it, if you are interested in JPEG you can do your own comparisons.

good luck



Apr 05, 2012 at 05:43 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Imagemaster wrote:




seems like you have won multiple BBC or Nature's best awards with your JPEG files. Would be nice to enlighten us with those photos because I haven't seen them before. Perhaps your photos were so good the judges twisted their rules and waived RAW submission requirement



Apr 05, 2012 at 05:46 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · A Bird Photographer's 5D III vs. 1D IV high ISO comparison


Well I guess that settles it. Everyone must shoot RAW from now on.




Apr 05, 2012 at 05:54 PM
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