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AbramG wrote:
I'm just trying to work within the cost I can manage right now. Yes eventually down the line I'd definitely round out the kit. When I had my GF1 I really enjoyed the Panasonic 14/20 pancake combo. Worked very well for me.

I guess another question would be, if you had a grand total of about $1400-ish to work with, what one lens would you start with for the OM-D, Used options are more than welcome? (Price has to include the cost of the camera as well)


The Panasonic 20mm seems to be a very good lens. Are you looking at just the body and then some primes for your $1400-ish price range?



Apr 13, 2012 at 07:34 PM
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I don't own either the 20 or the 25; but from the images I've seen I would go with the leica 25f1.4 over the 20f1.7. I'm sort of in the same boat; trying to decide if I want to buy the em-5 or nex-7. With the nex-7 I would use my old c/y lenses; but with the om-d it would auto focus lenses. Some lenses I've consider (please understand I do not own these but have thought about the various trade offs):
oly 12/2: $800 - too expensive for what it is
pan 14/2.5: $300 - interesting option for the price
pan 20f1.7: $350 - dont' much care for the images I've seen from it even if it were less expensive
pan 25f1.4: $530 - this lens interest me
oly 45f1.8: $400 - this lens interest me
oly 12-50: $300 (with camera): Cheap; long end is diffraction limited
oly 12-60: $1000 (had this lens once and really liked it; no contrast focus) (some prefer the 14-54 optically over the 12-60)
oly 14-54 mk2: $600 (better than the 12-50; but not as nice as the 12-60; adapter free if camera purcahsed before may 31 and it supports contrast focus)
pan 14-45; $272 diffraction limited; folks say nice thing about ti but i think i might as well go witht the 12-50.
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I'm leaning towards the 12-50 (and live iwth the sucky long end); or the 14-54 or the 25f1.4 at time of purchase. Bit undecided as I'ms till waiting to see the two bodies (nex/omd) in shops.


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Apr 14, 2012 at 09:56 AM
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p.5 #3 · p.5 #3 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


The EM-5 package with the 12-50 drops the lens down to only $299. For that price, how can anybody say no to it. The 12-60 is a nice lens at f/2.8, but it's a little more than what the average Joe wants to spend.


Apr 14, 2012 at 10:13 AM
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LXShooter wrote:
The EM-5 package with the 12-50 drops the lens down to only $299. For that price, how can anybody say no to it. The 12-60 is a nice lens at f/2.8, but it's a little more than what the average Joe wants to spend.

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Lenstip has a nice review on both the 12-60 and 12-50 (they used a 12mp camera for the 12-50 and 10mp for the 12-60 so the graphs cannot be compared directly). The 12-50 is diffraction limited at the long end and one has to presume this is even worse on the e-m5.
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Here is the mtf for the 12-60
http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/zd-012-060.html (the mtf for the 14-54 is just below; this article as compare the two)
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mtf for the 12-50

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=40073385

(You can find the same mtf graphs directly on olympus site).




Apr 15, 2012 at 07:42 AM
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The other problem with the 12-50 is the size.


Apr 15, 2012 at 04:09 PM
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Well, today is the day B&H has listed as "the day", and my pres order is in. Anybody else holding their breath with me today? After the d800 preorder debacle I will be surprised if it ships today, but I am still going to check my email on every hour...


Apr 16, 2012 at 06:57 AM
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I just got myself on a few local dealer's pre-order list. However in Canada they're not expecting anything until the end of the month.

Maybe that's not a bad thing as it gives you guys time to put it through its paces for us Canadians !



Apr 16, 2012 at 09:09 AM
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ChrisDM wrote:
Nice lens, but weighs more than the camera so that's a step in the wrong direction for what I want this camera for. I'm going to hold out hope that Olympus will come out with some fast wide/normal glass in true m43 form sooner than later. It is strange to me that they release this amazing camera yet don't offer any fast glass at all in the 35 to 50mm equivalent range.



Given Panasonic already has two very popular lens, the 20mm f1.7 (40mm equiv) and the 25mm f1.4 (50mm equiv) and those lens are directly compatible, I don't know if an Oly 35-50ish fast prime would really be all that in demand

Seems focusing their effects on focal lengths that aren't otherwise covered by m4/3, such as the amazing 45mm f1.8 (90mm equiv) or the 75mm f1.8 (150mm equiv, there are otherwise no fast longer lenses in m4/3 so this one should be quite well received) just seems to make more sense.

Granted I would like a 35/40/50 from Oly that matches the 12/2 design/style, but would I really want to sell a Panny 20 or 25 just to rebuy it ? Probably not, especially after dropping $1k+ on a new EM-5



Apr 16, 2012 at 09:09 AM
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^^ Agreed. Especially considering how good both of those lenses are. The 20/1.7 doesn't have any magic, but it's sharp and contrasty and very small. The Leica 25/1.4 is the best overall normal lens I've ever owned, so it'd be hard to compete with that (though Oly could likely make a 25/1.4 a little smaller).


Apr 16, 2012 at 09:12 AM
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olympus made 12/2, 17/2.8(too slow for this range imo)and 48/1.8
imo they are missing and need to make 9/2.8, 16/1.8 and 28/1.8

panny made 14/2.5, 20/1.7 and 25/1.4
imo they are missing and need to make 10/2.5 and 35/1.7

an oly 16/1.8 would be a good match for the omd, i am actually surprised olympus didnt release something like that with the omd announcement.



Apr 16, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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kahren wrote:
imo they are missing and need to make 10/2.5 and 35/1.7


Hmm...I don't know how big of a market there would be for a 35/1.7. I know a lot of the pro-grade standard zooms end at 70mm, but 70mm equivalent is kind of in no-mans land. Generally, I (and I think most people) want a little longer for portrait use, and it's too long for most environmental use.

The biggest needs right now I think are a fast 35mm equivalent autofocus lens (quite fast, say a 17mm f/1.2 or f/1.4) and in the telephoto range (a 100/2 or 150/2.8 would be really welcome).

The wide end is pretty well covered...there's the 7-14mm, the 9-18, the 12/2, the 14/2.5, etc... The mid range is pretty well covered too. The telephoto end, though, is filled only with slow zooms. Now, there's the fast Panny 35-100 which should be out sometime in the next year or so, and the new Oly 75/1.8, which will be great, but faster, high quality longer lenses are really missing. Imagine a high quality, relatively compact 200mm f/2.8 for m4/3...it'd be a great option. A 400/5.6 equivalent at roughly half the size.



Apr 16, 2012 at 10:43 AM
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kahren wrote:
olympus made 12/2, 17/2.8(too slow for this range imo)and 48/1.8
imo they are missing and need to make 9/2.8, 16/1.8 and 28/1.8

panny made 14/2.5, 20/1.7 and 25/1.4
imo they are missing and need to make 10/2.5 and 35/1.7

an oly 16/1.8 would be a good match for the omd, i am actually surprised olympus didnt release something like that with the omd announcement.



Got to look at how big the total m4/3 market is as well. There is of course a very vocal minority who does love high quality, compact, fast primes, but I'd wager a majority of m4/3 shooters probably stick with a kit zoom lens and/or maybe some add on a tele. Small group would perhaps add on one compact prime for low light shooting, getting that "bokeh" effect thats all the rage (and poorly understood) on many web forums etc.

How many out there really are going to want to buy a 9mm on top of their current 12mm, in addition to a 16mm etc ??

Do we really need 10+ prime focal length options on a system that frankly doesn't even appeal to that many enthusiast type photographers

Again, don't get me wrong, I know there are enthusiast etc that own m4/3, myself included, but quite a few that would fall into the group simply write it off for its sensor size.

Lets be real, the "if its not full frame its not for me" mantra is very alive and well with a lot of people. As such, you have to balance your product offerings with total demand.

Me personally, I see m4/3 as a compact travel solution for my personal use. Its not a system I use for either my paid work, or my serious landscape shooting.

As such, there is a limit of how many lenses/how much money I want to invest into it. They could make a 7/9/12/14/16/20/25/35/45/75/90 etc primes but I'm really not going to buy more than a couple.

How many here really want to haul around a bag with 10 or more m4/3 lenses Sort of defeats the point of the systems size advantage and again, if I'm dropping $5k+ on m4/3 I'm probably not going to be happy with the overall IQ for that type of cash outlay.

Why carry a bag as heavy as a D800 rig around, and spend as much money as a D800 rig only to get m4/3 quality photos ?

Give me 2-3 nice lens (I can compromise a bit on focal lengths) and a m4/3 camera that won't break the bank and are easy enough to carry with my carry on bag for a trip and I'm happy.

I think a lot of people are, its the goldilocks of size/weight/cost/selection right now



Apr 16, 2012 at 12:51 PM
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Jman13 wrote:

Imagine a high quality, relatively compact 200mm f/2.8 for m4/3...it'd be a great option. A 400/5.6 equivalent at roughly half the size.


Yup, a lens like that would play right to m43's strengths. I'll be first in line to buy it

It'll happen someday, hopefully soon.



Apr 16, 2012 at 01:25 PM
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millsart wrote:
I think a lot of people are, its the goldilocks of size/weight/cost/selection right now


Oly and Panny have lucked out so far in that Sony seem to have missed the memo on making small lenses.



Apr 16, 2012 at 01:43 PM
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I apologize if this has already been posted.

Entertaining Early Review: http://www.digitalrev.com/article/olympus-om-d-e-m5/MTYyMzAyOTY_A



Apr 16, 2012 at 02:02 PM
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That review got hammered over on dpreview, but i thought it was a nice alternative to all the "tech spec" reviews. It was lost on many that the review features the retro rebuilds of hong kong, and how they are nothing more than a shell of what the old style architecture used to be, just like the new OM.


Apr 16, 2012 at 03:14 PM
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The DPReview forums are essentially a cesspool of snap shots and perhaps the greatest collection of fanboys (across all brands) I've ever seen on the Internet.

Venturing into there is like crossing over into no man's land.



Apr 16, 2012 at 03:23 PM
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FlyPenFly wrote:
The DPReview forums are essentially a cesspool of snap shots and perhaps the greatest collection of fanboys (across all brands) I've ever seen on the Internet.

Venturing into there is like crossing over into no man's land.


My thoughts exactly!



Apr 16, 2012 at 03:25 PM
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I called the USA Olympus store on Friday and pre-ordered an E-M5....I had a bug up my ass about it I guess, but by the time the weekend was over, I decided to cancel my order. My G3 is 'fine'. There is a certain glamour to the Olympus high end M4/3 lines, but the G3 does well enough, and now I can buy a lens or something else. Shrugs....


Apr 16, 2012 at 04:14 PM
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Hehee, yeah, DPReview forums are just chalk full of self-appointed know-nothing experts who all seem to believe their opinions are all that matters in the universe and all else be damned. And this is the prevailing trend on every single sub-board there. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.




Apr 16, 2012 at 04:30 PM
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