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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I am pretty sure I want the 5D MK II as my next camera and also want the IS zoom but I am also trying to do this at little cost as possible and still get as much image quality as possible.
I had the use of the 5D and a 70-200 f2.8 mk1 for a trip to the zoo and liked it very much, but I keep reading the mk2 version is quite a bit better but at a much higher cost. I can get a used mk2 for $1950 locally as well as a mk1 for $1300 and just to make me crazy a f4 for $950. Is the mk2 a better future proof purchase or is the difference worth over $600? Would I lust for the f2.8 if I get the f4? My shooting is very general, I like candids in street photography, nature and maybe some outdoor sports.



Mar 24, 2012 at 02:36 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


1. I don't think you would ever regret getting a 2.8IS. You may regret not getting one though.

2. The 2.8 MKI is a very nice lens and has been adequate for professionals and casual shooters for years so that does not change even though the MKII is better.

3. Have you considered the 70-300 4.0-5.6L. It would give you more range, is shorter than the f4 and much lighter than the the 2.8IS. Optically it is wonderful, as sharp as any canon zoom ever made and it has the latest IS technology. For general candids and street photography it would be great, but for sports...well lets just say it would not come near the 2.8IS.



Mar 24, 2012 at 03:19 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


As a professional sports photographer, I can tell you that the first 70-200 2.8L IS was my least favorite Canon L lens, and the most maligned by other photographers. They used it because it was their only option for a fast stabilized zoom. The new version, however, is a brilliant lens. It is absolutely sharp at f2.8 at any focal length. It is worth every penny.

If you can't afford it, go with the 70-200 f4 IS instead. It too is a brilliant lens.



Mar 24, 2012 at 05:31 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I'm a general-purpose non-professional and I LOVE the 2.8 aperture of the version II, and have no regrets about ever selling my version I; it is significantly heavier than the f/4, but you've handled the 2.8...
The larger aperture makes it my lens of choice for my daughter's indoor swim season, as well as enabling high shutter speeds for outdoor track season...works especially well with Canon version III extenders, too. "Candid" street photography will always be difficult with a huge white lens, though...

If you have time, rent them both; what's a couple hundred in rentals when you're spending a few thousand in the long run, looking for "as much image quality as possible"...



Mar 24, 2012 at 05:40 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I've never tried the f/4 IS but have had both versions of the 2.8 IS at the same time. The mkII is well worth the difference in price. I would say your decision should be between the f/4 IS and the mkII. My understanding is that the f/4 IS is sharp wide open. I can tell you that the mkI version of the 2.8 isn't and has to be stopped down at least a little bit.

Both the f/4 and mkII are sharp wide open. Your choice should probably be f/4 or f/2.8 for about $1000 more. If you don't shoot a lot of low light then the f/4 is probably all you need. On a FF camera you can still achieve some pretty nice background blur at f/4.



Mar 24, 2012 at 06:27 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I would repeat what everybody else said - choose between F4is and 2.8IS II.



Mar 24, 2012 at 06:42 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


This is what I wanted to hear it helps me a great deal. In my effort to get the most for my money my other thought was to get a Canon refurbished 60D or the 7D through clp and the 70-200 mk2. I don't know if I can go with the 5D MK II and the 70-200 MK2 since I am funding all this with the sales of my Sony lenses. If I sell my A700 and my Zeiss 135mm I could swing it but I am trying to keep that combo because the lens is so great.



Mar 24, 2012 at 07:17 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I've a 40D, crop body, the f2.8 was to heavy so I jumped on the f4 and absolutely love it. It's much lighter, tack sharp at f4 and the AF n IS are super quick. If the majority of your shooting is outdoors, the f4 is fantastic; matches the f2.8 II in speed n sharpness, when indoors it's usually mounted on a monopod as I prefer low ISOs...otherwise get the f2.8 II; It's the absolute best, at everything


Mar 24, 2012 at 07:34 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I'll add one more lens for you to consider: The 70-200mm f2.8L (non-IS).

If you are primarily interested in "street photography, nature and maybe some outdoor sports" I don't see the value of going for an IS lens. Assuming you are shooting in daylight most of the time, the IS won't make a huge difference in street candids or nature shots, and the non-panning type of IS is of no value to sports photography.

If you're thinking, as you say, of going with a lower-end, refurbished body in order to buy the 70-200 mark II, you might want to consider instead going with a 5D2 and the 70-200mm f2.8 non-IS instead. I've seen a couple for sale used on the Buy/Sell boards for under $1,000.

As far as sharpness comparisons go, wide open at 200mm, the 2.8 non-IS seems to beat the 2.8 mark I:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=242&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=0&LensComp=103&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0

Meanwhile, the 4.0 IS seems better than the 2.8 non-IS:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=242&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=0&LensComp=404&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0

And the 4.0 IS seems pretty close, even, to the 2.8 mark II :
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=687&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=0&LensComp=404&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0

The 2.8 mkII is the hands-down winner in terms of optical quality across the entire frame but the question is whether it's worth sacrificing the image quality of your camera body in order to get that lens. I think a 4.0 IS with a 5D2 might be a better fit for you, in terms of sharpness and bang for your buck.

Personally, though, I would feel a bit limited with the f4.0 max aperture. I was in the same boat as you a while back (trying to decide which 70-200 to get) and ultimately went with the 2.8 non-IS because I wanted the faster glass at a reasonable price. Initially that was more for indoor sports but I found I liked the wide aperture for portrait-style animal photography, as well. These were all shot at 2.8:


























Just one other thing to consider. Good luck with your decision!




Mar 24, 2012 at 08:34 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


Those look great but the IS is a must since I am over 61 and I am not as steady as I use to be.


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I would recommend getting the 2.8ISII for these reasons:

Best in class optical quality
It will hold it's resale value
In production therefore supported by Canon well into the future.
Has 2.8 and IS
Camera bodies depreciate much faster than glass.
7D is a good choice of camera if you like sports and nature
5D2 will drop in price over the next few months as the market gets flooded with people upgrading to the 5D3.



Mar 24, 2012 at 10:55 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I have the 5DMK2, 70-200 f4 IS and 70-200 f2.8 IS MK 2. I find for basic walk with the 5DMK2 shooting the f4 is fine and has the advantage of being light. But the f2.8 MK2 has a little better quality and focuses faster. With the 5DMK2 I used the f4 about 60% of the time when I use a 70-200. With my 1DMK3, with which I shoot sports, I use the f2.8 most of the time.





Mar 24, 2012 at 11:12 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


campy wrote:
Those look great but the IS is a must since I am over 61 and I am not as steady as I use to be.


The 2.8 version is heavy. Makes unsteady hands even more so. Better to give up the extra stop for a lens that you'd probably use more.

For the money you save you could get the 5D instead of the 60d or 7d.

BTW, the Canon 135L is one of the best lenses in the line-up. Getting that lens would allow you to sell the A700 and the Zeiss.



Mar 24, 2012 at 11:27 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I had the f4 non-IS, a brilliant piece of glass, but needed to upgrade to the 2.8 for indoor sports. The weight difference is significant. If you don't need 2.8, the f4 is wonderful! If you do need 2.8, then the mk II is amazing, and worth the $$ and the extra weight.

Paul



Mar 25, 2012 at 03:33 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I hope you don't mind if I throw soemthing else out for your opinions. I am probably overthinking my purchase but I want to start with Canon on the right path so bear with me if you can. I found a local who will sell me his 5D MK II with just under 13000 clicks for $1500 which seems like a good deal but I already see these coming down in price on ebay where you can get a new one for $2000-2200.
If I go with that and a 70-200 f4 and the 24-105 it should be a wonderful kit to start.
However what if I went with a refurbed 60D for $640 after clp and the 70-200 f2.8 mk ii and the 15-85 and when prices come down further on the 5D mk ii upgrade at that point if I feel the 60d is not what I want. Both kits come out to about the same price. I also will probably get a used 100-400 at some point at a later date whichever camera I go with.



Mar 25, 2012 at 05:20 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I had the 2,8IS for many years and was quite happy... but just had to try the new 2,8 IS MK2... Jawdropping!! For me it was like using primes but with IS and zoom to boot

Only lens that can excell in IQ is now the 200/2IS... I find even the 135/2 is not quite up there with the 70-200 if you compare using FF.

Is it worth the $$$? For me yes, but you may have other preferencies...



Mar 25, 2012 at 05:34 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I've had the 7D since mid 2010 and the 5D2 since Jan 2012. I would go with the 5D2 and f/4 70-200. The IQ is just stunning from that camera. I also have the 24-105 that I actually used on my 7D for a few years in combo with the 10-22 and 100-400 and now have it on the 5D2. The 24-105 is a great lens, I just dont like the horizon distortion at 24mm on FF. On the 7D you didn't notice it very much because of the strong crop but on the 5D2 you need LR to get rid of it.
With all that said, there is really no right answer, the 60D with the highly praised 15-85 and the hands down best zoom lens ever made by Canon in the 70-200f/2.8ISmkII is a deadly combo also. The more I think about it, the more I just don't know what the best option is. I guess that if you see FF sometime in the future then I'd just go for it now in the 5D2. Hard choice for sure. Not sure if this helps at all
Still I'd lean towards the 5D2, I've not even picked up the 7D since I got the 5D2 in January, even with the 100-400 and wildlife I seem to get better or at least equal IQ out of the 5D2 and the 5D2 can be shot easily at 3200ISO vs the 7D really should never go above 1600ISO and 800ISO is more like it.



Mar 25, 2012 at 05:35 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


I believe that the prices on used 5D mkII's will bottom out around $1500 in the short term and then rebound back up into the $1800 or so range. There will be a short term excess supply but that will dry up. The 5D mkII should track about half or slightly more of a new mkIII price once things settle.

I would get the mkII for $1500. It's so much better than the 60D. I don't think you'll like the weight of the 70-200 mkII. If you don't need the 2.8 then save the weight and the money. BTW, I've seen the IS f/4 version for around $900 used here on FM.



Mar 25, 2012 at 05:40 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


WebDog wrote:
I had the 2,8IS for many years and was quite happy... but just had to try the new 2,8 IS MK2... Jawdropping!! For me it was like using primes but with IS and zoom to boot

Only lens that can excell in IQ is now the 200/2IS... I find even the 135/2 is not quite up there with the 70-200 if you compare using FF.

Is it worth the $$$? For me yes, but you may have other preferencies...

What camera are you using it on?



Mar 25, 2012 at 05:43 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Canon 70-200mm f2.8 mk1 vs f2.8 mk2 vs f4


Current camera 5D Mk2 and my ageiong 1D Mk2


Mar 25, 2012 at 06:25 PM
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