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p.6 #1 · p.6 #1 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


snowboarder wrote:
Thanks for that. Would it be possible to do the same, but ISO 200?
I'm really curious if XPro1 has a good detail after somehow strange dpreview tests.
Also one more question - is it true that the MF magnification mode changes aperture,
so the live view playback does not represent what really is gonna be taken?



Sure, do you want RAW or JPEG?

I don't have an answer for your other question at the moment, but I can look into it tomorrow. I do know that when AFing with the EVF or the LCD, you get the DoF preview after the half-press to focus, but not before.



May 14, 2012 at 05:33 AM
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p.6 #2 · p.6 #2 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


deadwolfbones wrote:
Sure, do you want RAW or JPEG?

I don't have an answer for your other question at the moment, but I can look into it tomorrow. I do know that when AFing with the EVF or the LCD, you get the DoF preview after the half-press to focus, but not before.




Thank you, you're very helpful! I think there are two different things going on -
when you use a Fuji automatic lens and MF, the camera changes aperture etc
by itself when you use live view. Not sure why.
But if you use a fully manual lens and an adapter, the camera can not change
the aperture, so I guess when you use live view, it must show a full DOF etc
all the time... RIght?





May 14, 2012 at 05:44 AM
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p.6 #3 · p.6 #3 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


snowboarder wrote:
Thank you, you're very helpful! I think there are two different things going on -
when you use a Fuji automatic lens and MF, the camera changes aperture etc
by itself when you use live view. Not sure why.
But if you use a fully manual lens and an adapter, the camera can not change
the aperture, so I guess when you use live view, it must show a full DOF etc
all the time... RIght?



I am assuming when you say live view, you mean when shooting you use the LCD as the viewfinder? If so, like deadwolfbones mentioned, you see the preview DOF once you AF press the button. Otherwise, it's like any LCD except the Sony as it does not AF on its own, you always have to press the button to focus. Sorry, my response may sound a bit childish as my lack of photography vocabulary still sucks

Oh, and I use the LCD quite a bit instead of the VF as its quite nice.



May 14, 2012 at 11:25 AM
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p.6 #4 · p.6 #4 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


I'd also like to hear a comparison between the Nex5n/7 and the Fuji viewfinder experience...seem crucial to me...


May 14, 2012 at 02:50 PM
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p.6 #5 · p.6 #5 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


vallejo wrote:
I'd also like to hear a comparison between the Nex5n/7 and the Fuji viewfinder experience...seem crucial to me...



Its like night and day if your taking about the nice bright, lag free, non blocked up optical finder. EVF's are similar with the NEX7/NEX5n add-on having better resolution and a more realistic view, at least under good lighting. The NEX7 EVF blocks up shadows and high contrast scenes quite a bit though, and also had a bit more of a noticeable grain.

EVF's in general have come a long way, and are certainly useable with some limitations such as fast action shooting due to lag and refresh rates, but they still don't match a good optical finder. HOWEVER, there are times where the EVF is actually better such as when you need an exact framing.

Really having the option to use optical, an EVF or work with the back LCD screen (which I find I actually like more than the EVF in many cases such as composing a landscape shot) gives you the best of all worlds. You can pick the option that best suits your needs and taste.



May 14, 2012 at 03:17 PM
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p.6 #6 · p.6 #6 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


Good to know.So, extending this a little further, how the OVF on the Fuji compares to,let's say, the Canon 5D2 (the one I have...)
thanks!



May 14, 2012 at 03:23 PM
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p.6 #7 · p.6 #7 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


There is a trick that works for the EVF on the NEX series where you can reduce JPG contrast settings to make the EVF less blocked up. Works pretty well but not if you shoot JPG!


May 14, 2012 at 03:27 PM
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p.6 #8 · p.6 #8 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


How's that?


May 14, 2012 at 03:37 PM
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p.6 #9 · p.6 #9 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


vallejo wrote:
How's that?


shoot raw but set the camera to portrait mode with contrast at -3.



May 14, 2012 at 03:40 PM
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p.6 #10 · p.6 #10 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


vallejo wrote:
Good to know.So, extending this a little further, how the OVF on the Fuji compares to,let's say, the Canon 5D2 (the one I have...)
thanks!


Totally different type of viewfinder. Your looking through the lens on your DSLR, on the XPro your looking through just a window and everything is in focus all the time. Also you see more of the scene than your framing allows. Various framelimes for a given focal length will display in the OVF window.

Its just a rather different way of shooting than a DSLR, for better or worse

Its basically the same way any rangefinder works. Leica M9 etc. I think DPR had a pretty good introducion to how a RF viewfinder works on their M9 review



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p.6 #11 · p.6 #11 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


Hummm...the thing is that I'm torn apart between the NEX 7 and X-Pro. The Fuji seems to have better IQ,and way better hi ISO, both which are important to me. I'm planning to extend my nowadays small M lenses collection (because cameras come and go) and first reviews on M lenses adapted to X-Pro were not very encouraging...where I live I can't test these cameras, they don't sell here, so I end up relying on reviews and my 5n experience...oh well...


May 14, 2012 at 04:39 PM
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p.6 #12 · p.6 #12 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


M glass works as well, if not better on the XPro than it does on the NEX7


May 14, 2012 at 05:00 PM
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p.6 #13 · p.6 #13 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


Examples please! I could only find this, and as you can see, it was not very good...
http://picabroad.com/2012/03/24/fuji-x-pro-1-grand-test-with-leica-m-mount-lenses/



May 14, 2012 at 05:04 PM
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p.6 #14 · p.6 #14 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


vallejo wrote:
Examples please! I could only find this, and as you can see, it was not very good...
http://picabroad.com/2012/03/24/fuji-x-pro-1-grand-test-with-leica-m-mount-lenses/


Depends on how wide you want to go, I believe. The examples I've seen suggest that >35mm is fine, while <35mm is a mixed bag, with some lenses producing reasonable results (especially when stopped down) and others producing terribly smeared corners.

I've seen excellent examples taken with a 35 Cron, 50 'Lux, and 90 Tele-Elmarit (probably the same examples everyone else has seen).

But admittedly, if you want to go wider than 28mm AND retain good corner performance AND keep the lens size down, at this point the options are very, very limited (i.e. there are no good options).



May 14, 2012 at 06:08 PM
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p.6 #15 · p.6 #15 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/10/28/sony-nex-7-with-wide-angle-leica-lenses-a-quick-test-and-gxr-comparison/

About halfway down the page are some examples of the NEX7 with wider RF glass. Pretty poor smearing and color shift to say the least.

Longer focal lengths work great, but wider retrofocus RF glass, past about 35mm seems to be a no go.

Not to say the XPro is fantastic, its hardly a Ricoh M module, but, its at least as good, if not better than the NEX7.

I've seen a few examples with the VC15 that actually look pretty good surprisingly enough, which can't be said for the NEX7.



May 14, 2012 at 06:50 PM
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p.6 #16 · p.6 #16 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


millsart wrote:
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/10/28/sony-nex-7-with-wide-angle-leica-lenses-a-quick-test-and-gxr-comparison/

About halfway down the page are some examples of the NEX7 with wider RF glass. Pretty poor smearing and color shift to say the least.

Longer focal lengths work great, but wider retrofocus RF glass, past about 35mm seems to be a no go.

Not to say the XPro is fantastic, its hardly a Ricoh M module, but, its at least as good, if not better than the NEX7.

I've seen a few examples with the VC15 that actually look pretty good surprisingly enough, which can't be said for the NEX7.


from what i've seen, the NEX-7 and cv15 actually looks sharper than the fuji with the cv 15 in the corners, but has that terrible color shift.



May 14, 2012 at 06:52 PM
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p.6 #17 · p.6 #17 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


Latest XPro results with CV15 I've seen that look pretty promising, SOOC with no color shift I can see (though not exactly shooting a white wall either)

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/fuji/35546-fun-fuji-x1-pro-13.html



May 14, 2012 at 06:54 PM
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p.6 #18 · p.6 #18 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


millsart wrote:
Latest XPro results with CV15 I've seen that look pretty promising, SOOC with no color shift I can see (though not exactly shooting a white wall either)

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/fuji/35546-fun-fuji-x1-pro-13.html


are there corner crops? because the ones i saw looked terrible smearing wise (sorry no time to scan through that whole thread now).



May 14, 2012 at 06:59 PM
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p.6 #19 · p.6 #19 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


Well, the poster claims no "corner nonsense at all" with the ZM18/4 and the CV15 and no smear though it is evident already on those small samples that there is some. On the first sample the lower corners are smeared and the top corners are empty sky. On the small brick wall sample and the one after that there is smear as well. I think infinity shots would show more smear. So I simply don't believe that statement. He is simply delusional or in denial.

No magenta sides/corners though I would not expect that from the X Pro 1.

Samples don't look bad, I just think it is sad to not acknowledge the fact that there is a problem and he hasn't got a magic adapter that sets things right.

Edited on May 14, 2012 at 07:09 PM · View previous versions



May 14, 2012 at 07:08 PM
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p.6 #20 · p.6 #20 · Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread


millsart wrote:
Not to say the XPro is fantastic, its hardly a Ricoh M module, but, its at least as good, if not better than the NEX7.
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Now, why canīt Ricoh come out with at least 16mp and a decent VF...



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