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p.1 #1 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/10/nikon-support-nikkor-pc-e-24mm-f3-5d-ed-lens-cannot-be-used-with-shifting-and-tilting-on-the-d800.aspx/

Any idea why this could happen?

Happy shooting,
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Mar 10, 2012 at 11:28 PM
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p.1 #2 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


As far as I know on D700/D300 I can use it as straight lens but can't tilt or shift because it may hits the camera build in flash, that might implied to D800 as well
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Mar 10, 2012 at 11:47 PM
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p.1 #3 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


Yeah, that is just the mechanical design. It would not be a problem with a D4x. *sigh*

EBH



Mar 10, 2012 at 11:56 PM
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p.1 #4 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


I am betting on Nikon will refresh the T/S line.

They are so slow at things but when they do do something, it's pretty freaking well thought out and epic. Affordability is another matter.



Mar 11, 2012 at 12:10 AM
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p.1 #5 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


capt3450 wrote:
As far as I know on D700/D300 I can use it as straight lens but can't tilt or shift because it may hits the camera build in flash, that might implied to D800 as well
-capt3450


That's weird. I have 7D and 24/3.5 II and there are no limitations. Difficult at some angles? Yes. Possible? Definitely.

Happy shooting,
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Mar 11, 2012 at 12:13 AM
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p.1 #6 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


Same situation as the D700 no doubt.

But Nikon won't commit and say it works (meaning 100% compatible).

Never had an issue though on my D300 or D700 as long as I was careful.

As far as "refreshing" I would not count on it, this was a refresh/update from the old 28mm pc one. Or put on your calendar for 2022...



Mar 11, 2012 at 12:22 AM
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p.1 #7 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


I wonder if this is also true about the 45 pce lens.


Mar 11, 2012 at 12:32 AM
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p.1 #8 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


Over at NikonGear.com they are wondering the same thing:

http://nikongear.com/live/index.php?/topic/40295-d800-with-24mm-pc-e/

No one seems to have answers right now. Apparently Nikon has published a technical guide to the best lenses for the D800/800E (and thanks to Eric Lund for posting this over at NikonRumours). Note that the 24 PCE is NOT listed below...make of it what you will:

"With cameras like the D800E, which are suited to visuallycomplex subjects, it is important to get as much sharpnessfrom the lens as possible. Contrast at the periphery of the image can generally be increased by choosing an aperture two or three stops from the maximum, although results will varyfrom lens to lens. Below are some of the lenses you can use for enhanced sharpness:

• AF-S NIKKOR 14–24mm f/2.8G ED
• AF-S NIKKOR 24–70mm f/2.8G ED
• AF-S NIKKOR 70–200mm f/2.8G ED VR II
• AF-S NIKKOR 16–35mm f/4G ED VR
• AF-S NIKKOR 24–120mm f/4G ED VR
• AF-S NIKKOR 200–400mm f/4G ED VR II
• AF-S NIKKOR 24mm f/1.4G ED
• AF-S NIKKOR 35mm f/1.4G
• AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.4G
• AF-S NIKKOR 200mm f/2G ED VR II
• AF-S NIKKOR 300mm f/2.8G ED VR II
• AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8G ED VR
• AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR
• AF-S NIKKOR 600mm f/4G ED VR
• AF-S Micro NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED
• AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED

The D800E offers better resolution at apertures where diffraction (page 13) is not an issue. The effects of aperture may therefore be more noticeable than with the D800, and care may be required to avoid loss of definition due to diffraction."





Mar 11, 2012 at 12:36 AM
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p.1 #9 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


You could always use a LensBaby. Problem solved.


Mar 11, 2012 at 12:46 AM
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p.1 #10 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


jdben622 wrote:
You could always use a LensBaby. Problem solved.





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p.1 #11 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


One wonders how some of the AI lenses will do. Cantankerous Rψrslett, who was apparently in possession of a pre-production model implied that some, like the 28/2 won't make the cut. Shame, one of my favorites.

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Mar 11, 2012 at 12:59 AM
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p.1 #12 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


The real issue is not that Nikon did something 'wrong' with the D800 (or D700.. or D300), but that they made a couple of hugely poor design decisions with their last refresh of PC-E lens lineup.

Very sad.



Mar 11, 2012 at 01:00 AM
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p.1 #13 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


Yakim, just wait a few months longer and a Canon equivalent camera might be announced and get the TSE 24mm II. How come all of the Canon shooters are in the Nikon Forum!?


Mar 11, 2012 at 01:01 AM
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p.1 #14 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


Jammy Straub wrote:
The real issue is not that Nikon did something 'wrong' with the D800 (or D700.. or D300), but that they made a couple of hugely poor design decisions with their last refresh of PC-E lens lineup.

Very sad.


Design is compromise. Something has to give. When you consider that nearly all NIkkors back to 1977 are compatible and Canon tossed away the entire FD line, it's not so horrible a decision.



Mar 11, 2012 at 01:06 AM
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p.1 #15 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


John Mills wrote:
Yakim, just wait a few months longer and a Canon equivalent camera might be announced and get the TSE 24mm II. How come all of the Canon shooters are in the Nikon Forum!?



Because we have pixel envy. Or more specifically the D800 has more pixels and is longer and thicker.



Mar 11, 2012 at 01:08 AM
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p.1 #16 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


What Nikon is saying is that there is D4x coming for those true professionals that need to use t/s glasses.


Mar 11, 2012 at 01:21 AM
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p.1 #17 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


j.liam wrote:
Design is compromise. Something has to give. When you consider that nearly all NIkkors back to 1977 are compatible and Canon tossed away the entire FD line, it's not so horrible a decision.


Keeping F-mount compatibility is not the issue, not having the forward thinking to realize their future bodies would be in the D200 format and not allowing user rotatable axis are.

It's not like Nikon doesn't know how to design lenses, I think they were honestly rushed because Nikon wanted to compete with the excellent TS-E lenses. Either that or they just weren't well thought out.



Mar 11, 2012 at 01:40 AM
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p.1 #18 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


Perhaps the Nikon T/S lenses are primarily for architects who don't need T/S to work independently of one another, while landscape photographers are a smaller group?

With more MPs on the new Nikon sensors (eg D800) perhaps some of the older, wider designs (28 Ai/Ais) are not as sharp toward the edge(s)...?

I wonder what happens to Canon 16-35 and 17-40 (and 24-105) when Canon releases a 35mp body such as a 1DsIV? Those lenses will show mucho weaknesses at edges then.

Meanwhile, looks like Canon has a lot of sensor catching up to do to equal Nikon/Sony.



Mar 11, 2012 at 02:01 AM
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p.1 #19 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


Actually according to Nikon Europe the D800 will work without limitations!

Also... this one photographer guy used it on some sort of advertisement for something,


I shot this in live view photography mode using the PC-E NIKKOR 24mm f/3.5D ED.

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/microsite/d800/architecture/



Mar 11, 2012 at 02:17 AM
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p.1 #20 · 24/3.5 PS-E and D800 are not fully compatible?


John Mills wrote:
Yakim, just wait a few months longer and a Canon equivalent camera might be announced and get the TSE 24mm II.


I already have the 24/3.5 II.

John Mills wrote:
How come all of the Canon shooters are in the Nikon Forum!?


I participate in more than one FM forum, and even in more than one site. Imagine that....

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Mar 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM
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