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DmitriM
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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


I've had the first one and then used the 2nd version(with IS) in Antarctica.
2nd is sharper and IS for this lens is VERY helpful.
It's a very heavy lens and you need to be VERY steady to get a sharp shot.

1st version in my test appeared to be the same as Canons. Push/Pull design to me is not convenient so I'd never use a lens like that...
2nd version is sharper than the first and to me it was slightly sharper than 100-400 too.

On 5DII which I use, it does produce vignetting. This lens would work better on 7D and such.

Verdict: I recommend. Can't beat the price!

Here's 100% crop for you to judge quality of this lens.


http://img250.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=143610635_Antarctica354_122_411lo.jpg



Mar 07, 2012 at 06:46 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500



You can look at the 150-500 as an alternative too. I just picked one up to compare to my 100-400.



Mar 07, 2012 at 09:28 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


PetKal wrote:
Geoff....I do not think that lens will happen soon, because Canon may not wish to introduce any new zoom in that FL range which might divert customers away from 200-400L.


I don't see that logic at all. The price differential is so massive and the number of sales generated by a $11K 3.2kg zoom will be minuscule compared to an improved 100-400L. If some one was prepared to pay for the 200-400L they will do so if they need it irrespective of how good the 1 stop slower 100-400L is going to be. Canon has ensured they will only be selling new superteles to an elite few.



Mar 07, 2012 at 09:45 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


I use the Canon 100-400 mm now. I had both the old Sigma 50-500 mm aka the Bigma and

the new Sigma 150-500 mm OS (Sigma speak for IS). Both Sigma lens are bigger and

heavier than the Canon 100-400. Presumably the new Sigma 50-500 mm OS lens

is bigger and heavier than old Bigma. Stay with the Canon 100-400. Lighter, smaller,

and easier to use.



Mar 07, 2012 at 09:55 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


GC5 wrote:
You can look at the 150-500 as an alternative too. I just picked one up to compare to my 100-400.


I thought of that but all the test I've seen showed the 50-500mm to be the sharper of the two. Also: suprisingly the 150-500 is actually larger, (longer) than the 50-500mm, (go figure). How does the 150-500 compare on IQ?

DonR



Mar 07, 2012 at 10:02 PM
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garydavidjones wrote:
I use the Canon 100-400 mm now. I had both the old Sigma 50-500 mm aka the Bigma and

the new Sigma 150-500 mm OS (Sigma speak for IS). Both Sigma lens are bigger and

heavier than the Canon 100-400. Presumably the new Sigma 50-500 mm OS lens

is bigger and heavier than old Bigma. Stay with the Canon 100-400. Lighter, smaller,

and easier to use.


Well a 500mm lens will always be bigger and heavier than a 400mm. No free lunch; reach vs portability. personally I'd be thrilled if Canon made a 100/125-500 f/4-5.6L IS, We are crying out for a great 500mm zoom and one that is a true f/5.6, not f/6.3 like every other third party 500mm zoom.



Mar 07, 2012 at 10:03 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


dsr1 wrote:
No one has anything to say?


forget the sigma. crop instead; you'll get much better results



Mar 07, 2012 at 10:12 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
I don't see that logic at all. The price differential is so massive and the number of sales generated by a $11K 3.2kg zoom will be minuscule compared to an improved 100-400L. If some one was prepared to pay for the 200-400L they will do so if they need it irrespective of how good the 1 stop slower 100-400L is going to be. Canon has ensured they will only be selling new superteles to an elite few.


I think you underestimate:
(1) the demand for the superzoom 200-400L and the sales the lens will cash in, particularly in the first year of its release.
(2) the profit magnitude of such a lens at its intro price.

I would expect Canon to update 100-400 one year, or longer, following the 200-400L introduction.



Mar 07, 2012 at 10:13 PM
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PetKal wrote:
I think you underestimate:
(1) the demand for the superzoom 200-400L and the sales the lens will cash in, particularly in the first year of its release.
(2) the profit magnitude of such a lens at its intro price.

I would expect Canon to update 100-400 one year, or longer, following the 200-400L introduction.


Seriously, look a the global economy and tell me how many will be willing to fork out for the 200-400L. The forum is full of "I'd love that lens" post, and I would, but even if I could afford it, on principle I wouldn't pay that contemptible price. At some point you have to draw line in the sand.

I still think the so-called demand you are talking about will be minsicule. A new 100-400L would sell in the ratio of about 1000:1



Mar 07, 2012 at 10:42 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


Pixie, I don't know.......

I see a goodly number of 500 and 600 MkI lenses, by Canon and Nikon, in the local birding areas I frequent. Not all of those folks are lawyers, dentists, land developers, physicians, hokey players and corrupt politicians......just middle class folks with regular 9-5 jobs, and a couple of retirees here and there. A few of them are talking about 200-400L already, and they have the means to get it even if they have to sell some of their older gear. I think the versatility factor inherent in a zoom + built-in TC feature + "tolerable" weight, all should make 200-400L a hot seller if there was ever one priced at $11k.



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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


Petal, mk II prices have essentially doubled. I bought my 500mk I for $5K new, mk II is $10.5K. It was hard enough justifying the funds for the old lens. So I think combined with the parlous state of world economy and far tighter controls on discretionary spending Canon will find it much tougher to sell new lenses at these absurd prices. After all our mk I 's are still superb glass. It's a hard to justify $5.5K extra to save 700g and get a bit closer to the subject. Canon got a free kick on L glass with digital and you'd think it'd help with economies of scale somewhat, but rather than drive prices down we've just the opposite - Canon has shot past Nikon on much of it's new glass. And it's precisely that most of these people aren't lawyers and dentists etc that we won't see a massive uptake on the mk II's. Sure of course people will upgrade, but I know pros who say they can't even justify it.

I think Canon's main hope is to clone yourself and Lars and few thousand times to drive up demand.



Mar 08, 2012 at 01:36 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


100-400 and 200-400 are different lenses for different purposes. People who can buy a 200-400 will most likely have both. It's not like they would not get the 200-400 because the 100-400 exists.

EBH



Mar 08, 2012 at 01:55 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


I used to buy Sigma lenses, but as you upgrade your camera and they change the electronics those Sigmas won't work anymore. And contrary to what is posted about sending them back to Sigma to be rechipped, they don't do that. Bottom line is that you are SOL and your investment lost. What I would do is keep the Canon 100-400 and add a 1.4x Canon teleconverter. I don't think you'll lose any sharpness vis a vis the Sigma with this setup and you'll have the extra reach you need.


Mar 08, 2012 at 04:05 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


I saw a test (juza photography maybe) that showed a cropped upresed 100-400 to have more detail tha 150-500. the OS of long sigma is jerky and takes a good second to settle down, but more efficient than the IS of 100-400 for stationary objects. I am generally with others. skip the sigma, esp on a high density sensor like 60D, where you are already really taxing the sensor. on a 5d2, the results will be better (less noticably soft)


Mar 09, 2012 at 08:07 AM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


See http://thedigitalpicture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=113&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=7&API=1&LensComp=374&CameraComp=9&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0

The 100-400 looks considerably better to me.

I have the 100-400 and I think it is the best lens for weight/reach. It is small enough to hike with but has very high quality. I have used it with a non canon 1.4x in an emergency and stopped down it was okay with a struggle to focus. I would not count on using the 1.4x.

I say 100-400 will not disappoint.

I would not wait for another, it is good enough on its own.



Mar 09, 2012 at 01:53 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500



I take those Digital Picture reviews with a grain of salt. They only test one copy and many lenses sufer from sample variation (Sigmas probably more than Canon, but both have it). I have seen great images from the 150-500 (and am trying one), but I do have a sharp 100-400 that I like. I'd prefer something that is natively longer because the 1-4 won't autofocus with a TC.



Mar 09, 2012 at 03:12 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


I had high hopes, but I passed on the 150-500 a couple years ago ... too soft at the long end.

I'm using the Sigma 100-300/4, which softens (lower contrast) a smidgeon around 275+ and my Vivitar 120-600 (with focus confirm) for my long stuff. If I were doing a lot of long ... I'd probably look hard at the Sigma 500 prime, using your 100-400L mostly for the 100-300 range before it softens much and the 500 for anything beyond 300+.

Sigma has a tendency to get soft on the long end with their overly ambitious offerings ... i.e. the 100-300/4 & 120-300/2.8 are done well because they didn't try to do too much.

My decision was between the Sigma 100-300/4 and the 100-400L ... I prefer the handling of the Sigma and the fixed aperture @ f4 more than the extra 100mm. This of course isn't what you're looking for ... but it's a left handed way of saying that the 100-400L was high on my list and you won't find many zooms that are better in that focal range. From a zoom perspective, moving away from the 100-400L may be going from the pan to the fire ... unless you opt for the Sigma 300-800.



Mar 09, 2012 at 04:35 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


DonR, I suggest to post this in the alternative gear&lenses forum. Here in this Canon forum you will get a majority of votes for Canon gear only.


Mar 09, 2012 at 05:38 PM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500


GC5 wrote:
I'd prefer something that is natively longer because the 1-4 won't autofocus with a TC.


Wrong. It will focus on a 1D-series body, it will focus on a non-1D-series when using a non-reporting TC, or on one that has the pins taped.



Mar 09, 2012 at 07:37 PM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500



As a practical matter, it won't focus on a 5d2 or a 60d even with a non-reporting TC. I've tried. It will try to focus, but it will only lock if you are lucky, shooting in good light, and have a high-contrast subject.



Mar 09, 2012 at 07:55 PM
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