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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Anther critique wanted


Here is anther image that I would like to get critiqued, mainly color and comp, sorry about the out of focus leaf is it to distracting?


Copy - Copy - DSC_0876_244 by Julian Nell, on Flickr



Feb 20, 2012 at 11:14 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Anther critique wanted


http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1081960?
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Feb 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Anther critique wanted


That is a different image, this one is an image that was very dark that I just assumed that I couldn't save it. If you check the files this is "876" and the other one is "877" also you can see the position of the bug as it is more scrunshed up and further out on the leaf, but they were taken back to back.

Julian



Feb 21, 2012 at 04:57 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Anther critique wanted


Anyone?


Feb 23, 2012 at 12:00 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Anther critique wanted


It's not much different than the previous image. Small tweaks aside, the comments on the previous version apply here, at least as far as I can recall the previous discussion.


Feb 23, 2012 at 12:07 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Anther critique wanted


Julian, I don't mean to be rude, but may I suggest you apply some of the many suggestions (those which you consider more to your taste) for the first, and very similar image and then pursue a critique.

Otherwise, it would seem we are plowing the same field once more - and the results likely will not change significantly. The image similarities are too striking to launch off in another direction...it is what it is.

At least that is how I interpret Scott's comment.

Just my opinion,

Bob



Feb 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Anther critique wanted


Thanks, yeah I guess I should have done that, sorry.

Julian



Feb 23, 2012 at 12:19 AM
 

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Anther critique wanted


We are all here to learn

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Feb 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Anther critique wanted


The way everything new we learn is validated is by comparison with how we did things before. So along those lines when you have a question about composing a shot and want C&C try several different crops, post them, then solicit opinions on which resonate the most with others.

Read my tutorial on composition and try the "Inside-Out" cropping method I suggest there: http://photo.nova.org/Cropping/

Start with the cropping guides in tight as possible on what you want the focal point to be in the photo...





... then slowly expand the crop to add context and balance...






The problem I see immediately when I do that is that the ass end of the bug contrasts more that the head which should be the focal point. That's not a problem you can easily fix in PP.

But what you will find if you try the "inside-out" method when working with images you have already taken is that it will make you more aware to same factors when shooting. If you mentally frame the shot the same way when shooting it, looking first at the head, then expanding your focus to the rest of its body and the background you'll think "Gee that head isn't contrasting very well... " and be able to remedy the situation by either waiting for the bug to crawl into better light, or in some situations picking it up and posing it in better light so the head contrasts more than the ass-end.

In that respect the "inside-out" method is just a tool to help you become more objectively self-critical. It starts with knowing what to look for i.e. a focal point that contrasts strongly with the background then either waiting for that to occur or manipulating the situation so it will occur as envisioned.

I learned that in mid-70s when I worked in the photo labs at National Geographic. Another guy in the labs, Harry Yen, who made color prints there did nature macros as a hobby and did it so well the editors gave him a 12 page photo spread in the Dec 1970 issue seen below...







The inch worm shot was one of his more well known to the point you would go to art fairs and see painted version of it. He shot it in his basement with studio lights. What Harry would do when he found an interesting bug in the back yard was the bring it and the branch it was on into the house where he could better control the lighting and composition. When I asked him how long it took to take the shot of the inch-worm perfectly aligned with the leaf he smiled and said, "Too long...." and he was a guy with infinite patience.

Pre-visualize the message of the shot bug defies gravity what that focal points are head and feet clinging to the leaf then find ways during capture and PP to make them contrast so the viewer notices...










Feb 23, 2012 at 02:36 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Anther critique wanted


Wow, thanks for those tips that was VERY helpful. Though it might just be my monitor but the head looks a little bit blown.

Julian



Feb 23, 2012 at 04:33 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Anther critique wanted


Does this look good, I brightened it a bit and cropped it.


DSC_0876_252 by Julian Nell, on Flickr



Feb 23, 2012 at 08:01 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Anther critique wanted


It's better in that there's more bug and less leaf and background. But the back end is still the attention getter. Can you dodge and burn with your editing application? If so burning in the back end and legs will help them contrast more on the light background behind it.


Feb 23, 2012 at 10:30 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Anther critique wanted


I am not sure if I can do that.

Julian



Feb 23, 2012 at 11:31 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Anther critique wanted


Julian is using ViewNX, which IIRC does not have localized adjustment functionality.

Major paradigm shift from LR or CSx.

Bob



Feb 23, 2012 at 11:44 PM





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