Nothing holds any company back from charging for repairs outside of its stated warranty period. Or not doing it. Why should that be different with Canon? Because we would like to have it that way?
The question is: If they "rate" a shutter for about 400.000 actuations they should do twice:
1. They should guaranty it (not mentioning any different warranty period).
2. or else they should not say 400.000 actuations, but just say: it was tested and went up to XXX.
I myself would be happy if they would say: It was tested and reached about 400.000. And we give a warranty about 2 years for the body and 200.000 shutter releases at all.
What they do is a good will act in (some) cases. Like in "schlotz" case 30.000 shots on a 1D MK II is less than every 500 consumer gear does regulary. A 1D MK II shutter exchange is more expensive, I think. I guess they exchanged it for free, to keep up their "pro" reputation.
They (usually?) charge you when a shutter breaks within warranty period at a higher than given number of actuations, too. It would be a great (or fair?) practice, to take the risk (and exchange for free) when it breaks (not even long) before estimated actuation releases (maybe for about a fixed time period of maximum 5 years - no one would expect a generall warranty that will last for 50 years or forever).
But back to Peter:
Broken gear is always a sad thing. And I do not think much about broken gear after warranty when I purchase something (in fact it did not happen to me in the past - so I am a lucky man concerning that).
What I think about is what I do and what I need and if it brings back the investment.
So I guess nobody, who is doing 10.000 shutter releases within 2 years (15 shots a day) does really "need" a high end action and journalism camera at 11 fps for about 7000$. Even if he/she might wish to own it.
If the warranty is 2 years (actually its one, but as far I remember I already saw a couple of two years offers at the Canon website for some bodys) and one reaches 400.000 that would be 600 shots a day. EACH day including weekends.
As far it concernes me, if I would rech that I would neither thinkk about camera costs nor about repairs. I would work for just one or two month and spend the rest of the year at sunny seasides, traveling and flying around for pleasure and visiting people like you or driving one of those beautiful porsche convertibles ...
Oh hell! The cost of an ordinary check for those cars is two - three shutter exchanges, I guess.
I am (sadly) sure they already worked with that ideas and found a (for them) nice working balance between costs and peoples moans ... or happyness (in your case).
4x4rock wrote:
I wonder what are the real world applications where you would need to shoot 14fps with manual focus only.
A stand still duck flapping his wings really fast??
Don't mean to pick on you per say, but since you were the last person to ask...
It sometimes surprises me how for such a group of creative photographers, many of us find difficulty in imagining uses for advances in our tools (even when those advances come with compromises).
Like all things related to photography, our equipment represents compromises and shooting 14 FPS with just MF is one of those compromises. We lose AF but we get additional frame, so where might that be useful?
I'll give an example, making an image like this one:
I literally took a couple of hours of trying (again pre-focus on the nest) and start firing at the right time to eventually get just one usable image. In a lot of the frames, it was unusable because the parent Flicker's position was unoptimal (these guys are really really fast). Having a higher frame rate would have given me a lot of images to choose from and not being able to AF isn't that big of a deal in such a situation.
Now, I'm a nature photographer, haven't shot much sports, but I can imagine how such a compromise might appeal to the sports photographer. Pre-focusing at say the finish line or some other point of reference to get a better selection of images so that you can really find one that was made at the critical moment.
RobertLynn wrote:
So they put a feature in that would most likely benefit birders, then stuck them in the pooper with the f/8 focus thing!
Ahhh I love it.
Although I wouldn't argue that loss of AF at f/8 is a good thing, it's worth noting that maybe the most likely uses for FL beyond 800 mm would be pre-focusing on a nest or something (as Aravind demonstrated, but probably with a shorter lens than that), so MF (maybe using LV) would be fine, and then having bursts at 14 fps...
I haven't noticed many wildlife or sports shooters putting 2x TCs on their 500/4 monsters, even though their 1DMk4 and earlier bodies could handle it with center point AF. I don't know, maybe people who use the 800/5.6 would really like to put a 1.4x on it and still have AF. Yeah, a step backward. OK, I've convinced myself, the 1Dx sux, no matter how well it turns out to handle in real life! It should AF with all cross points, even at f/11! But I'm still getting one.
RobertLynn wrote:
So they put a feature in that would most likely benefit birders, then stuck them in the pooper with the f/8 focus thing!
Ahhh I love it.
Not only "birders". There are all kinds of fast processes and things on our planet that lend themselves to a finer scrutiny with a faster frame rate. Sports is another obvious application area.
Furthermore, even if the final 1DX version comes without f/8 AF capability, for most camera users in diverse fields of photography that limitation is going to be a non-issue or a perhaps a minor concern. I think Canon knows their target market a bit better than internet fora pundits.
PetKal wrote:
Not only "birders". There are all kinds of fast processes and things on our planet that lend themselves to a finer scrutiny with a faster frame rate. Sports is another obvious application area.
That's true, but I can't think of a sport that I can shoot with the mirror locked in the upright position.
PetKal wrote:
... I think Canon knows their target market a bit better than internet fora pundits.
Itīs me! I am their target market! At least they seam to know me very well.
- I do not need F 8.0 AF (even not in future)
- I do not need 11 fps now (maybe its a great feature for my projects in future)
- I do not need video now, too.
- I would love 18MP. It would be enough for my needs.
- I do need usable ISO 25k (or higher) asap.
So I think they did enough market research and found out I am the average target group. To make me happy and let me rest with their gear, they added some unneeded features for my future development (great AF, FPS, video).
Is the lack of new information this late in the game normal for the 1DX? What I mean is that the camera is due to start shipping in less than 2 months and there really hasn't been much on it since it was announced. With the NFL playoffs in full swing I would normally expect to see a fair number of photos being shown off by pros who have been testing pre-prod 1DX bodies. I would also expect to have seen more hands on previews and sample images from the field. Maybe my memory is faulty but I seem to recall a lot more info about and previews of previous 1 series bodies during the run up to launch.
As far MY memory is not faulty, I think you are right. For 1D III & 1DIV I guess there where few, but there where full size images. Concerning 1D IV I think I can remember to one high ISO sample in a snowy night that fascinated me. And as far as I remember it came/was shown next to the announcement. But my remembring could be wrong, of course. I am an old man now and often do not remember, what I said yesterday ;D.
Maybe it is just, that Canon wanted to wait, till Nikons D4 announcement. That has happened now. ISO 12k (instead of the 2 month (?) rumored native ISO 102K).
Szenario 1:
"Hell, what looks their native ISO 100k like? We only have 51k! Thatīs the best, we could do!"
Szenario 2:
"God! It is really only 12k at 16 MP and D3s level! That means (stil) 3-5 years behind! We will show, what we are able to do, as soon we can deliver and we blow them out of the market now! ().
Szenario 3:
"Is it really only ISO 25.600?" - "Yes, sir. For this time, yes." - "We need that gun to be No. 1 for the next 5 years! Do not forget: It is called 1D X! X for extreme!" - " ... we could do some rework and maybe ... no, we should be ... we ARE able to ... to get exaptable results at ISO 51k, too ... till february, march ..." - "Exceptable" - " ... means really good ones .... sir." - "Okay! - Go! - Do it!"
Fast Shadow wrote:
Is the lack of new information this late in the game normal for the 1DX? What I mean is that the camera is due to start shipping in less than 2 months and there really hasn't been much on it since it was announced. With the NFL playoffs in full swing I would normally expect to see a fair number of photos being shown off by pros who have been testing pre-prod 1DX bodies. I would also expect to have seen more hands on previews and sample images from the field. Maybe my memory is faulty but I seem to recall a lot more info about and previews of previous 1 series bodies during the run up to launch. ...Show more →
But I think that is because those were basically finished cameras and did not change from announcement or very little at least. 1D X is still a work in progress from what I have heard; but they must be locking down features pretty soon if it's to meet March deadline
Pixel Perfect wrote:
But I think that is because those were basically finished cameras and did not change from announcement or very little at least. 1D X is still a work in progress from what I have heard; but they must be locking down features pretty soon if it's to meet March deadline
At least maybe 29th of February (god thanks, this year there is one day more - maybe that is why Canon choosed March to deliver?).
thedigitalbean wrote:
It sometimes surprises me how for such a group of creative photographers, many of us find difficulty in imagining uses for advances in our tools (even when those advances come with compromises).
Indeed. I am quite surprised by how unappreciative some folks are when it comes to modern technology... and the worse part is they can be rather cynical about it too.
Those two consecutive shots of the flying woodpecker are amazing!
" - " ... means really good ones .... sir." - "Okay! - Go! - Do it!"