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David hobby's Lighting 101 is a GREAT way to get into using off camera flash and to expose you to a new part of photography... after that its cool to use as a reference to see what others are doing and expand yourself... I know of atleast 5 people who learned off camera flash by reading his blog


Jan 16, 2012 at 02:29 PM
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Gardner, Hobby, "Light, Science, and Magic" - my photography would be less without them. 'Nuff said.


Jan 16, 2012 at 03:24 PM
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ukphotographer wrote:
I half expect those prideful teachers were busy getting on and actually 'doing' it rather than 'talking' about how they were doing it. Same sort of thing here, but to different audiences...

At least David Hobby speaks from experience instead of pontificating on thngs of which he has no real experience.

Some can't discern the difference. They can be standing in a pile of manure and not smell it.



Jan 16, 2012 at 04:23 PM
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dmacmillan wrote:
I shot weddings with two strobes, one on a bracket on the camera and the other on a monopod held by an assistant. There were no radios back then, so the monopod light was triggered by a flash slave (Wein peanut). This setup was a leg up on the other wedding shooters using a single on camera flash. The lighting was much nicer.

Funny that's similar to what I suggest with one exception. With a rolling stand you don't need an assistant to shlep the light around. I learned the technique from Monte Zucker who came up with the idea of using an IV stand to move the slave around. Back then we used flashes like this...

http://super.nova.org/TP/GraflexFlash.jpg

.. so it was a practical solution to avoiding a hernia. The rolling stand meant I could be off shooting a second wedding instead of holding Monte's light on a pole. It was a win-win situation, I had more fun and he earned more money that way.

Zucker was a clever guy. For his formal portraits he used window light and a reflector with a background painted on an 8' linen roll-up window shade supported by one stand in the middle. The IV stand used for the flash was used to hold the reflector. The entire kit to shoot a wedding consisted of:

8' window shade background
Stand for background
Larsen Reflector
IV Stand
Rolleiflex with flash bracket
2 Graflex Flashes

So for me the keep it simple / travel light "strobist" approach is nothing new. The only thing new was Hobby's wider audience which wasn't aware of past history. Hobby apparently wasn't familiar with the way you and I used off-camera flash with another on a bracket for fill. That was pretty much SOP for shooting weddings in the 70s and 80s. Hobby was a photo journalist in the 90s. PJs don't usually use flash brackets and they fell out of favor over the years for weddings. Hobby it seems didn't "discover" the flash bracket and the benefits of centered fill until a couple years ago.

Radio triggers were a sensible way to Hobby to continue using his flashes made obsolete by digital bodies. But in the beginning he was a zealot with regards to cheap manual flash being the only "ethical" form of lighting (his description). Eventually he tried a modern TTL system (albeit with radio triggers) and found to his surprise it works and is very convenient. He's apparently now tried studio lighting and found it has advantages too.

We all have different goals, budgets and existing equipment. My take on Hobby's original approach was that it limited the potential of a modern camera and its metering to use it entirely with manual flash. Manual is better for some tasks TTL for others. The best approach is to have both available for use as needed. Speedlights are marginal substitutes for studio lights and studio lights are not very portable. The best approach is to have both sets of tools for use as needed. That's why I bought my set of studio lights back in 2004 and my Canon flashes in 2005 in addition to the Vivitars I still have and occasionally use.

Unlike you I don't have a bias against flash. Indoors when all the lighting is artificial and usually less than flattering in direction, why not improve it with flash? Outdoors I pose faces to the natural light first and then add flash at the same angles to blend it as naturally as possible. When someone makes a digital sensor that can handle the contrast of a backlit sunny day like B&W film did I'll retire the flashes.






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Jan 17, 2012 at 12:20 AM
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Back then we used flashes like this...

Ah, yes, the Graflex Stroboflash IV. Running up and down a muddy high school football field in freezing night weather with a Stroboflash attached to a Mamiya Press 23 camera and that backbreaking battery pack on my shoulder in 1970...not a particularly fond memory, actually.

My commentary about "Strobism" as a religion isn't about Hobby himself, but rather about the people running around calling themselves "Strobists" and talking about "Strobism" as a methodology.



Jan 17, 2012 at 06:31 AM
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RDKirk wrote:
My commentary about "Strobism" as a religion isn't about Hobby himself, but rather about the people running around calling themselves "Strobists" and talking about "Strobism" as a methodology.


Teaching only ever works when people understand everything you teach them correctly. A well known educator observed students, on average, retain long-term only about 10% of the new information they are exposed to. That's one of the reasons formal education is structured to be progressive. What is learned today reinforces what was learned yesterday. But on the internet people tend to cherry pick information on an ad hoc basis and apply their own selective filters, often with erroneous understanding of the underlying cause and effect.

That "10%" dynamic is in play in the "Strobist" movement. It has become the Strobist mantra that any flash off-axis was "better" lighting. But many who practice the Stoblst religion don't understanding that's only true if you know where to put the off camera light and control the lighting ratio to fit scene to sensor.

I find the same thing happens with people who try my advice. They will follow half of it, or 80% of it and then e-mail me and say things like, "I did what you suggest except for the flash bracket. Why aren't I getting the same results you are?"

In most cases conventional wisdom like using centered fill or a flash bracket is challenged mostly by people who aren't open minded enough to even try it and compare the results. A good example belief so strong that any light near the camera is bad lighting they refuse to try it.

If it looks like a rule its bad because there are no rules in lighting. Rules hamper creativity. I'd get that "There are no rules" line all the time when suggesting things that were convention wisdom when I learned this stuff. Now I say; "There are no rules, only cause and effect." I teach how the tools work. Once someone learns how a tool works doing something creative with it is only limited by their imagination.

I changed my overall teaching approach from "Try this it works" to "This is why it works for me, try it and see if it works for you, then try everything else."

Instead of focusing only on technique I suggest first starting with a goal, such as making lighting on faces flattering and define criteria for successfully meeting the goal, such as light in the eyes. The process of defining your personal criteria for what a flattering portrait looks like is what allows you to objectively measure your own work against the criteria as you try different suggestions.




Jan 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM
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Yes, but it is a nice catch phrase to encompass an entire genre, "Strobist"; Running with portable flash while keeping lighting simple.

I was reading Neil Turner last night. Great stuff about portable lighting.

http://neilvn.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/off-camera-flash/

His blog;
http://dg28.wordpress.com/




Jan 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM
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williamkazak wrote:
Yes, but it is a nice catch phrase to encompass an entire genre, "Strobist"; Running with portable flash while keeping lighting simple.

I was reading Neil Turner last night. Great stuff about portable lighting.

http://neilvn.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/off-camera-flash/

His blog;
http://dg28.wordpress.com/



Two different photographers. Neil Turner and Neil van Niekerk.



Jan 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM
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miccullen wrote:
I want to reply to this, but it's so bizarre and all over the shop I don't really know where to start..


There were 23 other easier posts you could have replied to - why not try one of those first?
You could always start with;
'Hello, my name is miccullen.... I'm a Strobist'.



Jan 18, 2012 at 03:50 AM
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The goals of location lighting and criteria for success haven't changed much over the years but changes in equipment have altered the viability one strategy vs. another for meeting the goal.

Back in 1972 when I started using dual flash optical triggering was the only viable option and you needed to make it clear to the bridal couple that Uncle Joe couldn't be running around with his Instamatic if they wanted good photos in their wedding album. Back we used direct flash, not bounce, for a couple of reasons: the flash head didn't tilt, and exposure for bounced flash can't be predicted with distance.

Wedding shooters like Zucker started using dual flash for two reasons. The obvious one is better looking lighting. The less obvious one was technical: fitting scene range to sensor. In the same time frame wedding shooters were switching from flash bulbs to strobes they were also switching from B&W to color film. B&W can handle a wider scene range. In B&W it was no problem getting detail on bride and groom at same time with just a single on camera flash. Not so with color. Color negative film / prints had about the same range as today's digitals and like today's digitals if you exposed the dress accurately for detail the shadow detail would be lost. Move a single flash off axis only exacerbates the problem by putting the black suit into a shadow making it reflect less light (why moving a single flash to the side still isn't a good idea technically). Using a two flash key over fill arrangement as in the studio solve that problem. The invention of the slave trigger made that possible.

Wein slaves changed the paradigm.

Honeywell, the thermostat company, sold photo gear in the 70s and the Honeywell "potato masher" flash was commonly used replacing the Graflex I showed previously. Others like Rollei and Metz sold similar designs. I'm not sure which was the first to introduce a tilting flash head, but the Vivitar 283 was probably the most popular for 35mm shooters, in part because it mounted in the hot shoe.

The Vivitar 283 changed the paradigm in several ways, some good, some not so good in terms of lighting control and aesthetics.

Photographers using a potato masher flash had no other option but to use a bracket to mount it. Many just mounted it to the side like the flash on a Speed Graphic, but wedding shooters in particular had learned to move it up and directly over the lens on a bracket for more flattering facial modeling. What did photographers who used a Vivitar 283 usually do? Put it in the hot shoe.

At the time Zucker and many other wedding shooters used 2-1/4 x 2-1/4 twin lens Rolleiflex cameras, for a reason that isn't obvious if you have never used one. With any SLR at the moment the photo is taken the viewfinder is blocked and unless you are looking out of the other eye at the scene you can't tell if the subject blinked, which isn't something you want to discover a week later when the film arrives back from the lab if you shoot weddings. The TLR allows seeing the eyes as the flash freezes the action and immediately reshooting as necessary. We solved the viewfinder (looking down at inverted image) by using the optional pentaprism, which cost nearly as much as the camera...

http://super.nova.org/TP/RolleiTLR.jpg

The significance of that in terms of lighting was that we didn't flip the camera to shoot in landscape or portrait mode. Camera and flash orientation were the same in all shots. We used 10" x 10" square prints in albums and composed when shooting for those proportions.

The 35mm shooter using a hot shoe flash has the flash directly above the lens like a bracket in landscape mode, which produces slightly downward modeling, but when flipped into portrait mode the flash casts distracting and unflattering shadows up and sideways. Using a bracket solves that problem, but photographers stopped using brackets because it was more convenient to use the flash in the hot shoe and distracting shadows became the hallmark of flash shot. The solution? Let's diffuse the flash!

In my view diffusing poorly placed shadows on a face to make them less distracting is like shooting yourself in the foot then putting a bandage over the wound. The better solution is not to shoot your self in the foot by controlling how the light hits the face and put the shadows where even if distinct or dark aren't unflattering.

The tilting head of the Vivitar 283 allowed the flash to be bounced off a ceiling, but since the head didn't swivel that was only practical in landscape mode in the hot shoe. Later flashes which tilted and swiveled solved that problem for 100% bounce but created a new one when splitting the path with a diffuser: the flash in the hotshoe, in portrait mode, still puts the direct component too low and creates the same sideways nose shadow and halo shadow behind the subject you get with direct flash, albeit with fuzzier shadows — a band-aid over the bullet wound.

Bounce is a great way to modify flash, if there is something to bounce the light off above the camera which mimics the direction of natural light. By bouncing the light everywhere there are fewer unfilled shadows and it is easier to fit scene to film or sensor eliminating the need for the second fill flash . A new photographer who has never used two flashes to control tonal range and lighting will typically use bounce and think it solves all their lighting problems.

So over time as 35mm became the norm for covering weddings and new photographers who never used studio lighting or dual flash, or had any formal training, started shooting weddings brackets and dual flash fell out of favor. Digital cameras with higher ISOs also changed the paradigm. At ISO 100 flash is a necessity to cover a wedding, but less so at ISO 1600. So the new paradigm became "natural light is purer form of lighting". Using flash became a scarlet letter indicating you couldn't see the light or were not creative. I have no problem seeing the light. Indoors I see enough for decent exposure but more often than not the direction isn't flattering, shading eye sockets or putting faces half in shadows. Outdoors there is too much light, or more precisely contrast. So I continued to use flash — two of them most of the time...

Back in the 70s when photographers started using bounce they noticed a lack of catchlights in eyes so someone solved that problem with a rubber band and 5x7 index card. That also helped when the angle of the light coming down caused the brow to shade eyes. A new industry was born: selling overpriced speed light modifers to photographers to are dumb, lazy or image conscious to make and use their own variation on the reflection style diffuser.

Hobby, bless his heart, made using direct flash trendy — just in time to undo the damage Gary Fong had created by convincing the naive that his cup shaped creation was the Holy Grail of lighting and indoor lighting similar to an overcast day is good lighting.

Before Stobist convincing someone with LightSphere that a bracket and two flashes would yield better results was a hard sell. I know because for years I've advocated the two flash approach using a bracket for the on-camera flash but very few, convinced what they did was better tried it because it wasn't as convenient .

Over time the goal had shifted from how to create the most flattering lighting to how to make lighting most convenient for the photographer.

Hobby to his credit helped change lighting trends by getting hobbyists out of their StoFen comfort-zone of soft but bland lighting. What is amazing is that he did it by convincing them to use the least convenient method available: manual powered speedlights all mounted on stands. He did it by convincing them it was cheaper, and a more "ethical" way of lighting.

But in my view Hobby was a Luddite his slavish devotion to old manual flashes exclusively. By the time Hobby arrived on the scene camera metering, which is what makes or breaks TTL, had improved significantly. The Nikon CLS and Canon EX systems are amazing in terms of scope of tasks they can perform and the convenience of performing them. The innovation of HSS mode solving the sync limit was a huge game changer for anyone who did close-in flash shooting outdoor in sunny conditions allowing distracting backgrounds to be blurred. Why didn't Hobby advocate that approach instead of his manual flash / radio trigger approach?

What many don't grasp still about TTL is that will never be 100% automatic because the camera doesn't know what you think is most important in the frame. Is it the white cat in the foreground or the black one ten feet behind it. In natural light you can expose both with detail, more or less, in flat light and you can do the same with flash bounced off the ceiling and hitting both equally. But direct TTL flash will expose for white cat and leave the black one hidden in the noise. It's not the fault of the camera or the flash, its the physics of light: flash falls off. A photographer ignorant about how flash falls off rapidly using ETTL and FEL to expose the black cat further back will blow the white one and blame the camera or flash for not getting it right.

What using manual flash teaches you is that you can't expose the black and white cat correctly if they are 10 feet apart. You decide when selecting power to expose for the white one or the black one further back. If you do the latter you wind up blowing out the white one. Quickly you realize you need to put both cats the same distance from the flash.

So again kudos to David Hobby for helping a new generation of photographers learn by using manual flash by choice what my generation of photographer who started with no other choice learned out of necessity.

The only fault I ever found in Hobby's approach was that when the new Nikon CLS flashes became available he never tried them to the point of understanding how to make it work and finding workarounds to its limitations. All tools have limitations. His approach for example isn't as convenient and doesn't adapt exposure automatically and before TTL radio triggers was limited by sync limit on most cameras. Nikon CLS and Canon EX have limitations also but they aren't functional limitations they are primarily range related. A photographer can control flash manually, with metering, with high speed sync without the need for radio triggers, they just can't do it from 600' away.

I think the main reason Hobby's approach got traction with hobbyists was him promoting it as a cheaper alternative than the system flashes. That was true if you already had a lot of old manual flashes around, but if you had to buy the manual flashes and used Pocket Wizards the cost of a 2 -3 flash system was the same or greater.

One of the reasons I wrote my Canon tutorials was to try to reach Canon owners who had not purchased any flash gear yet. Most hobbyist will buy a 430ex flash because it is smaller, lighter and cheaper than a 580ex and seems to be all the will need. But what happened then was as predictable as a row of dominos falling...

... next they would buy a ST-E2 and move their single flash off camera thinking it would improve lighting.

The ST-E2 controller, introduced with the 420ex is designed to operate two groups A:B in ETTL mode. It can fire manually set flashes but can't control their power remotely. It consists of a flash tube with a filter that block all but the deep red visible light, emitting mostly IR.

Why IR not visible light? I've wonder that myself and don't know the answer. I used Wien optical triggers for 30+ years and they worked better that the Canon IR system in terms of range. I've never seen a spectrum / power output plot of a Canon flash but I suspect power-wise the strength of the visible part of the spectrum is as great or greater than the IR emissions. IR can't as far as I know bend around corners go through walls or windows and better than visible light. So then why the heck did Canon when first designing the Master /Slave system use IR for the ST-E2 and 420ex?

Canon hasn't ever revealed the answer but it might be because humans can't see IR and won't blink in reaction to the pre-flashes. All the pre-flash commands occur between the time the shutter button is pressed and the shutter is fully open. The last "fire" command is sent in normal mode just as the first curtain clears (in HSS mode the flash starts just before the first curtain opens). Given how new technology gets developed my guess is that in the early prototype stage there was a timing / blink problem and some engineer thought "We can solve that with IR!". But apparent by the time the system was fully implemented blinking wasn't a problem because the 550ex and subsequent Master devices use visible pre-flashes and they don't cause a blinking problem they occur so rapidly they seem to merge with the main flash to the point users don't see them and don't know the commands on 550ex and later flashes come from the main flash head. Why do all EX flashes still use IR for signaling? The die was cast with the ST-E2 and for backwards compatibility all flash flash tubes also emit IR and that's what the slave sensors react to.

Hobby in advocating his approach did so by convincing people that every other approach was inferior. He consistently bashed the system flashes for their use of IR. Ask someone why they didn't consider using the Canon system and 9 out of 10 would say, "because of the IR." Out of ignorance many ( including Hobby based on hearing him discuss the Canon system in an on-line interview) thought the big red lens lit with LEDs on the flash is the commander and why the range of the ST-E2 range sucks. My TV remote uses IR LEDs and it's range suck so if Canon uses IR leds it must suck too... At least that seemed to be the logic... The big red lens is the AF assist and has no role in the signaling except to blink as a "ready" indicator when a flash is in slave mode. The specs of the ST-E2 say it has the same range and 80° signaling arc as a 580ex Master but what people do with a 580ex master they don't do with the ST-E2 is put a diffuser on it and increase the signal footprint..

The power of the flash for taking photos is limited. To get flattering light on faces you need the light above the faces. Due to those two factors I did most of my flash photography within 20 ft. of my foreground subjects. In my experience using the Canon system exclusively for years signaling problems are due more to placement outside the signaling footprint or blocking the slave sensor, not range. Often the user doesn't even know where the slave sensor is located. On Canon flash it is the small gray window on front just under the flash head. On Nikon it is on the side. That sensor needs to face the Master for the system to work. Line of sight in needed outdoors but indoors bounced light will trigger the slaves.

Understanding the limitation is signaling arc is as reason I use my DIY diffuser on the master flash. It is also designed to not block the slave sensor and make it easy to orient the base toward the master, then rotate the diffuser towards the subject. By increasing the footprint of the flash can put my flash outside the specified 80° footprint the non-diffused flash creates. My diffusers are also designed to bounce most of the light forward not off the ceiling but for some flash placement I bounce my master so it will allow placement anywhere in the room. For example, the shot below was taken with ETTL ratio mode. I opened the top of the diffuser and zoomed the flash to 105mm to create a small bright spot on the ceiling about half way between me and the stage with the back of the diffuser bouncing less light into the foreground. I had no problems triggering the slave 40' away on the stage just out of frame to the left...

http://super.nova.org/TP/PSurge4.jpg

Because I use a bracket and a big diffuser on top of it I don't have the same problems a ST-E2 user does with signaling and have never found the need to buy radio triggers for my speedlights. I actually bought a pair of PW on the same B&H order as my 580ex flashes years ago for comparison and to hedge my bets, but never found the need to use them with the speedlights.

What changed Hobby's paradigm and attitude about TTL was Radio Poppers. They are a simple and elegant solution to the range problem. Suddenly TTL didn't suck anymore and HSS something you needed to have to be current. The new hot thing in lighting is ganging 4, 8, 16 wimpy speedlights in HSS mode to stop a bullet and turn day into night, both at the same time. Why is that the hot new thing? Because you couldn't do it before. Why is it good. Because new toys to play with are always good. All those manual flashes and old PWs get put on the shelf with all the other old gear... Money spent at the expense of junior's college fund.....

But if you are a dad chasing rug rats around the living room a pair of 580ex flashes and a bracket is really all you ever really needed. Park the off camera slave in the corner behind the kids, and follow them around with the camera and flash on the bracket and you'll get great looking lighting and not have any signaling problems. If you haven't bought any flash gear yet, try that approach and put money you would have spent TTL radio triggers in the kid's college fund.

Or wait awhile....

The next paradigm shift just over the horizon will be when Canon and Nikon announce wi-fi based flash control systems controllable from camera, or remotely from PC or smart phone, integrated with wi-fi control of shutter and picture transmission.

Sell your PW Flex and Radio Poppers now while there is still a market for them



Jan 18, 2012 at 01:37 PM
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Nice discussion, as always, Charles. I was shooting weddingss with a Honeywell potato masher. I used flash with a Yashica 124G, Hassleblad, Mamiya C330's. A quick release on the Honeywell flash allowed hand holding as necessary. I finally went to the Nikon F3 bodies with a Phil Segall pole bracket. I would pull out the Vivitar 283 for the receptions. Finally, I went all Vivitar 283's, then all 285's. Got to know them well. They worked on A, with the color coded marks and they could be dialed in you might say. Experience taught me which color setting to use and when. There was also M on the flashes. They worked well on the pole if I carefully aimed the verticle flip, as when the couple came down the aisle, because the flash was above the lens but it was still horizontal.
Going over all of this "new stuff", I am floundering a bit, realizing limitations in tools and my current methods. I did a wedding the other day, helping an inexperienced shooter. I used the Nikon SB800 in A mode with Stofen type cap on a Stroboframe 350 flip bracket with the camera set on M. This was on a Nikon D300 body. I like A on the flash because it does not "talk" to the camera, changing my settings. What I have to watch is my range, however. Get real close, and you blow out the pic but with A on the flash, it is manageable for me to make some adjustments. I don't like TTL (think white dress, black tux here). Point the camera a little to the left or more to the right and your settings change and your compensation tweaks change also. I like the Stofen type caps right now because I don't get those "hot spots" on the face and, since my camera does not flip, like your bracket, my diffuser can still work that way in the portrait position. I have also drilled out the centers of my Stofen type caps to put one on if I am doing bounce because I want max bounce but I still want some light going toward the faces. I don't know why anyone would want to diffuse the light pointed toward the ceiling.
I did not have any room at the reception to use additional off camera lighting. I have realized that I want to put a PW Plus 2 on a camera flip bracket and still use an SB800 on the same bracket. Then, I will find a larger diffuser for it.
I am not in the available light and no flash club for reasons already mentioned. The direction and quality of light may not be there. Also, high ISO works to a certain level of quality inherent in the camera that one is using. Experience counts and so does sharing the information. I thank you. Keep it coming. I just thought of something. The SB800 also has AA mode. I forgot all about that but I had wanted to try it.



Jan 18, 2012 at 04:35 PM
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williamkazak wrote:
Experience counts and so does sharing the information. I thank you. Keep it coming. o try it.


Thanks. Some question my qualifications to give advice here citing a lack of "real world" experience. Glad to see yours was similar. I guess that qualifies you for the "No Real Experience Club " too.

Your NREC membership card, along with your AARP card will get you 10% discount at a Holiday Inn. I realized I was getting old and gray when on vacation a few months ago a counter clerk at Arby's gave me the senior's coffee price without asking

williamkazak wrote:
I just thought of something. The SB800 also has AA mode. I forgot all about that but I had wanted

Being a Canon user I'm not familiar with Nikon flash modes. Is AA the one used after all the other modes frustrate and drive you drink?

Because I used two flashes most of the time I used M with my Vivitars. In Auto mode the light from one would affect the other turning it off too quickly. I used the A mode when shooting outdoors in backlight with one flash on the bracket for fill. By setting the aperture to f/11 and flash on f/8 produced a nice balance with the sunny highlights under clipping and the front flashed highlights slightly darker and perceptually "normal" looking for a backlit situation. These are 285HV shots taken that way back when I was using my Minolta D7Hi (EVF and no sync limit)

http://super.nova.org/TP/FillFlashOutdoors1.jpg
http://super.nova.org/TP/FillFlashOutdoors2.jpg
http://super.nova.org/TP/FillFlashOutdoors3.jpg

I switched to Canon flash for HSS because the Minolta had spoiled me so much. On Canon bodies the default flash metering is evaluative zones, but you can also set it for average. That makes it function similar to A mode on the Vivitar — averaging the entire scene — but using the viewfinder of the camera not a metering cell on the flash.

The FOV of the metering cell on the 285HV was similar to a 50mm "normal" lens, which worked pretty good back when 35mm cameras typically came with that FL. But with today's zoom lenses it's better to meter through the lens with the same FOV as the photo being taken.

The only reason averaging metering works as well as it does for flash because in most situations the background is darker than middle gray. That makes the flash output more light, which winds up correctly exposing small highlights. But even with the Vivitar in A mode if the photo was filled with a white bride's dress the sensor seeing a lot of light bouncing back reduced the amount of flash.

That seems counter-inutitive but that's how meters work. Their baseline is middle gray. If you shoot a white wall the meter will adjust the flash power and reproduce it as gray. If the wall is black it will fire at higher power trying to make it gray too.

A mode on the Vivitar only worked as well as it appeared to in large part because color negative film has two stops more latitude than the color print paper. Ideally shadow detail was a bit above the clear base of the negative. But you could over expose by as much as two stops and the lab could still make a good print. But unless you knew how to "read" the negatives you wouldn't realize that was happening.

I had done my own B&W with the zone system before working for Zucker and knew how to read a negative. Also Monte was sponsored by Meisel Lab in Dallas and it's manager, who came to visit Monte, taught me too read color negatives and how color print making worked. He also taught me how to spray prints evenly with matte lacquer.

Monte didn't get proof prints. We'd ship the 220 rolls to the lab and the film would come back uncut. Monte would review the negatives on a light box under a magnifier and pick the one's for the album. As he reviewed he'd retouch the negs. with retouching pencils. The negs. would then go back to the lab for custom printed (dodging and burning) 10" x 10" untrimmed prints sprayed with matte lacquer. Those finished prints were the first thing the customer saw. They would come to the office in his house for a viewing.

The standard contract was a 50 picture album, and he'd typically print 75-80. The customer would sit a table and Monte with the photos face down in a pile would reveal them one at a time. Not only did he always sell every one, but usually he would sell additional albums for the parents and sometimes even the grandparents. Watching him sell was like watching a magician and getting an MBA in sales and marketing at the same time. The $750 contract turned into a $2,000 sale (1972 dollars) and the customers still went away happy. His trick was putting all the best photos he knew they would want on the bottom of the pile

Seeing that side of the business, the sales and marketing, was something that make me realize I didn't want to run my own business. I just don't have that type of entrepreneurial zeal it requires to be successful at it. Ironically when I got into management I found I liked running a larger business because I could delegate all the things I didn't like to do, and wasn't particularly good at, to others who did enjoy sales or the predictable 9-5 routine of manufacturing jobs. Over the years I remember and applied the lessons I learned observing Monte doing the 90% of the intangible things that make a business successful you don't see if you just judge him by the type of work he shot. He shot what his market niche — almost exclusively Jewish and very conservative and traditional — wanted.

Most photography business fold after 5 - 10 years because it stops being fun and more like laying bricks. That's how I felt about shooting weddings after the first year after becoming competent and comfortable doing it. So I have a lot of respect and admiration for guys like you who enjoy doing it over the long haul. With Monte it wasn't being a creative photographer that motivated him to shoot weddings for 50 years, and it wasn't the money either. He just sincerely loved people and sharing their joy on their wedding day. He started in high school in the late 40's and was already shooting bar mitzvahs and weddings for the grandkids of some of his original clients in the early 70's when I worked with him.

Teaching is the same way for me but in a different way. I moonlighted teaching a college class in printing technology for five years in the 70s. I went there to take classes and they offered me a job teaching based on my work experience (I was working at National Geographic in the photo labs at the time). Monte was a role model for that. He was very popular as a teacher because he was able to simplify things like lighting and posing into a 1-2-3 simple set of procedures that was easy to teach and more important easy for students to grasp. Some of his techniques like "feet up posing" were "slap forehead" once you saw them, but cause and effect relationships you might not see otherwise for years, if ever.

It's fun to see "the lights come on" when people understand the cause and effect —both technically and psychologically/emotionally in the mind of the viewer —when different lighting patterns and ratios are used or when eyes have light in them or not.

Lord knows I'm not in it for the money. I do what I do so forget what I've learned over the years and a way to pass it forward. When you help people and don't expect anything in return, payment come in other ways. When I shoot for friends and neighbors I don't charge them anything, but I get nice Christmas presents. When I started my web site I decided to keep it non-commerical, free of advertising, and not sell products like diffusers or my much maligned White Towel Exposure Target (tm) which given Fong's success some fool might actually buy. People have asked if I plan to write a book, but I'm retired and that's too much like work. I don't have a blog because it's cheaper and easier to post here. Twitter? 140 words. Are you kidding?

The fact what I do here pisses some people off so much amuses me. The same people who say there are no rules and conventions are roadblocks to creativity are the same ones who troll every time I suggest moving past old conventions like of incident metering and using the camera clipping warning on highlights instead. Thinking outside of the box is about as creative as I get...





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..But in my view Hobby was a Luddite his slavish devotion to old manual flashes exclusively. By the time Hobby arrived on the scene camera metering, which is what makes or breaks TTL, had improved significantly. The Nikon CLS and Canon EX systems are amazing in terms of scope of tasks they can perform and the convenience of performing them. The innovation of HSS mode solving the sync limit was a huge game changer for anyone who did close-in flash shooting outdoor in sunny conditions allowing distracting backgrounds to be blurred. Why didn't Hobby advocate that approach instead of
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Because he wasn't a Luddite.. he was using SB800's on a D70 and was manipulating the flash sync to extend the already 1/500s x-sync to any speed he wanted and was utilising matched flash duration to shutter speed to optimise recycle speed and to maximise and beef up output. HSS is a bad loser in this respect.. it still is. Beyond 1/500s CLS wouldn't work without imposing a 3 stop loss, so it was pointless ever using it. Thats why.


The only fault I ever found in Hobby's approach was that when the new Nikon CLS flashes became available he never tried them to the point of understanding how to make it work and finding workarounds to its limitations.


Workarounds are OK if you want to play, but when you do this for a living you need to make sure it works with minimal messing around. CLS and EX systems work sometimes, the PW's worked all the time. When you're not using the same lighting setup all the time and you may be hiding flash units in crevices and behind objects or in cupboards, the last thing you want is to start messing around wondering why they're not firing.


Why IR not visible light? I've wonder that myself and don't know the answer. I used Wien optical triggers for 30+ years and they worked better that the Canon IR system in terms of range.


Wein's are designed to work that way based on an exposure flash not a pre-flash. Canon don't have an in-built slave option unlike Nikon and Nikon flashes work extremely well in this mode (SU-4). I've never used the peanut Weins, but the SSR, Infra Red and Private Channel Infra Red all work fabulously and better than radio in particular instances. The wavelength of IR increases its ability to reflect off surfaces better (apparently).


Hobby in advocating his approach did so by convincing people that every other approach was inferior...


Sounds familiar, but he was right. He didn't shoot the same thing, the same way, all the time and he had a system which best suited this.


The new hot thing in lighting is ganging 4, 8, 16 wimpy speedlights in HSS mode to stop a bullet and turn day into night, both at the same time.


Individually quite possibly, but not using HSS to stop a speeding bullet unless you consider 1/8000s fast enough? And a pointless excercise to turn day into night using HSS compared to not, as well.


Why is that the hot new thing? Because you couldn't do it before. Why is it good. Because new toys to play with are always good.


...and it sells product.

Well before RadioPoppers were jumping off couches to illustrate their HSS capabilities regular radios could already do this... Hobby was already doing this with his PW Multimax (see paragraph 1 "...in my view Hobby was a Luddite..") and since you're not a new toy geek, I sense a tone of sarcasm there, but I agree with you that a lot of 'stuff' is/are toys which can be great if the intention is to play. Differentiating the useful from the toy is key.

Where Hobby started at - he's returning to. The advantages of the D70 (as well as others) and SB800's will probably not be seen on DSLR cameras again, the advantage has been sorely lacking with DSLR's for years now, partly because of camera design and partly because of 'wimpy' speedlights, but MF retains and increases that same edge with up to 1/1600s sync - coupled with the appropriate (non-wimpy) flashes, of course.



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I had a pair of D70s camera bodies after I sold my F3's and I moved into digital with new AF lenses and a pair of F100 film bodies. The Vivitar 285 flashes that I had would not work correctly on camera or bracket with my D70. I was compelled to get SB800's, which was totally unexpected. Of course, there are so many limitations with the D70 but flash sync was not one of them. The various D70 limitations drove me up to the D300 bodies which remind me of the F3 in size, which I liked. I finally moved into the PW's because I got tired of the mis-fires of the Nikon CLS system.
What is cool is when perusing the local Goodwill store for cameras and stuff I don't need, the clerk asks; "are you a senior".



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I have learned from both sources. Chucks site is great to learn how to use the Canon wireless stuff, David's site is great for ideas of stuff to and what can be done with speed lights but Ive noticed lately since he got his studio lights he has been using them a lot when needed instead of doing what Joe mcNally would do of using multiple speedlites. I have four of the Canon 500 series speedlites a third party flash that I use on manual when needed and since I got my speedlites I've put my Speedotron lights and pack in th closet until recently when I grabbed them to have them handy.


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I like the White Lightening unit that I have. I got it after selling a pair of Bowen Monolights. (for which I was afraid I would not be able to find any spare flash tubes anymore).
I use the White Lightening whenever I can as a stationary studio main light because of the modeling light. I like a white Balcar umbrella with balck backing and a rolling light stand with it. That is the easy part. Bringing it all to an indoor location, I have all that in a large bag with a couple of power cords and pc cords. I liked to use a Reflectasol flat on another stand with that setup for fill. Now, I can put an SB800 on a stand with an umbrella mount and a shoot through umbrella with a PW and use that for fill which will also trigger the White Lightening without the pc cord as long as another PW is in my hot shoe. The White Lightening has a built in slave unit which fires when it sees another flash going off.



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Because he wasn't a Luddite.....

In 1801 Joseph Marie Jacquard invented an automated loom which used punched card connected together is a belt to automatically. The Luddites were English textile artisans who protested against this automation often by destroying the mechanized looms.

The term "Luddite" became associated with anyone opposed to increased industrialization or new technology—like TTL control of flash. When I said "But in my view Hobby was a Luddite in his slavish devotion to old manual flashes exclusively." it was because he preached against TTL as if it were a false religion.

Back when his name first was mentioned I Googled him and came across an audio interview with Hobby a Strobist fanboy had posted. In it Hobby kept repeating the work "ethical" to describe his a approach. Both he and the interview disparaged TTL metering, but from the ways they described it's many shortcomings it was obvious they hadn't actually used it, at least not enough to master it's use. In particular being Nikon users they weren't familiar with how the Canon system actually works, making erroneous references such as the AF assist lamp being the source of the woefully inadequate IR signaling.

I give Hobby credit where I think credit is due, but the main reason I became an advocate of the Canon system was to get the type of Canon owner I described — a hobbyist with a single 430ex in the hot shot wondering what to do next — "deprogrammed" from Hobby's brainwashing that manual and radio trigger was the ONLY way they could successfully move their flash off camera. I did that by creating tutorials they could read and consider before they threw their money at a problem they didn't understand based on the advice of someone opposed to the use of TTL for "ethical" reasons.

The fact Hobby used a camera with a higher sync speed than is normal today was the logical choice if one chooses also to only use manual flash and promote it as the only "ethical" way to do lighting. But most of the people following his advice weren't using camera's with 1/500th sync speeds and many new to flash might not even understand the difference unless it was explained to them.

If you take the trouble to read the my first Canon tutorial you will find it is an overview of the system that compares various approaches. Using the ST-E2 as a Master, using a 580ex as a Master, using manual radio triggers, and even forgetting about speedlights and purchasing studio lights instead.

Back before Radio Poppers going "Stobist" vs. using the Canon system (or Nikon's) meant taking the $300 430ex flash the hobbyist already at that point, spending $292.46 for a set of Pocket Wizards (what I paid for mine in 2005) and winding up with a single flash solution that moved the flash off axis, but without any fill.

http://super.nova.org/EDITS/BH.jpg

Going further down the Strobist path and adding an eBay SB-28 or Vivitar 285HV for fill would require another set of PW would cost another $300 for the radios plus whatever the flashes cost (e.g. $75). So all in for a two flash lighting solution they would have spent:

$300 430ex
$75 used manual flash
$600 two sets of Pocket Wizards
$100 two stands @ $50 each.
$40 two umbrella holders @ $20 ea.
$40 two umbrellas at @ $20 ea.
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$1,115

At the time I bought mine 580ex flashes cost $380, so following the approach I used and suggested — putting the Master on a Stroboframe camera flip bracket (which still only costs $50) — they would spend:

Single flash solution:
$380 580ex
$50 Off Camera TTL cord
$50 Stroboframe bracket
$5 DIY diffuser
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$485

Adding second flash off camera:
$380 580ex
$50 One stand
$20 One umbrella holder
$5 DIY diffuser
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$455

Grand total for two flash Canon 580ex based solution: $940

Apart from the cost I explain in my tutorial the difference in logistics of wrangling two stands and needing to meter lights vs. roaming freely with a flash bracket and changing ratio and adjusting exposure with their index finger on the back of the Master flash above the camera.

I explain that in any static situation manual control as Hobby suggested is better than TTL: have a tutorial explaining how to set Manual manual mode with the Canon M mode and ratios by distance without metering as I did for years with my Vivitars, a necessity with the Canon system because the pre-flashes affect a hand held meter reading. But I also explain the advantages of ETTL-II camera metering controlled flash which are the ability to adapt automatically to moving targets and control ratio and exposure from the Master flash (and now the camera).

Addressing William's comment about using TTL at weddings.....

The manual flash system Zucker taught thousands of wedding shooters over the years was to use a ratio that perfectly fit the range of black suit > white dress to the print range to produce a natural looking result in every photo taken vs. the flat "deer in the headlights" look a single flash on camera produces.

The lighting ratio that fit foreground to print was a 3:1 where key light which is 2x brighter than fill overlaps it. (2:1:1 = 3:1). Zucker made used two identical flashes and made the key light 2x bright by moving it closer to the subject than the fill on camera. Monte was all about KISS and I can't recall the words "Inverse-Square Law" passing his lips, but he understood how to apply it. If shooting at 11ft moving the identical slave 8ft from the tip of the nose at a 45° angle made the key light 2x brighter and created short lighting on the the faces with normal "seen by eye" contrast. That simple two-flash technique produced prints with a full range of tone and detail from the laces on the groom's shoes to the subtle difference between specular and solid whites on the lace and bead work of the brides dress. When moving closer to 8ft for a tighter crop you'd move the key light to 6ft to maintain the ratio and close the aperture one f/stop to keep the exposure the same.

I still use the same technique with my Canon flash because it is a no-brainer and requires no metering. This Bridge screen shot is from a session where I arrived and shot portraits in M mode with my speedlight at a meeting of our church "Lens Team":

http://super.nova.org/TP/MAGLens.jpg

The first two frames are a shot to set Custom WB off the card and a verification shot. The third frame should be familiar to regulars. Before taking it I had set both 580ex flashes to M at 1/2 power and the camera at f/8. Using my arm span (5-1/2 feet) between nose and center of my DIY diffuser I set the distance for the slave. Then I stepped back to 8ft, the distance I find flattering for H&S shots, focused and fired.

http://super.nova.org/TP/TowelGary.jpg

The reason I use that shot so much is because it illustrates what happens when a lighting ratio creates a scene range which EXACTLY matches the sensor range.

By coincidence the same 3:1 ratio fit scene to color print also does that on my digital camera. How did I discover that? By looking at the RAW images and the histogram in files which are rendered accurately in the highlights with solid white objects below clipping.

Being a technician and technical manager most of my working career I understand how the photographic process is engineered to work. If lighting ratio is controlled so there is detail the shadows and the highlights at the same time the DlogE response is linear. What linearity means in practical terms is that everything the camera records between solid black and specular white in the scene winds up looking "normal" per our seen-in-person perceptual baseline.

The histogram in the the camera playback represents the sensor range. It does not tell you directly what that range is, or what the range of the scene is, but if you know how to use and interpret it, the histogram will reveal whether or not the scene exceeds sensor range. That is determined by first exposing to the "right" placing the brightest white content just under clipping and then looking at the left side of the histogram. If the left side is piled up high the scene exceeds the sensor. If it it isn't the scene fits the sensor.

When a scene doesn't fit the sensor, which is most of the time outdoors the choices are:

1) Expose for highlights / lose shadows
2) Expose for faces/midtones clip highlights / lose shadow detail
3) Expose for shadow detail and clip face and other highlights
4) Find ways to change the range of the scene"
a) flat light vs cross light
b) use reflectors
c) use flash, preferably two

Indoors where the sensor doesn't need to cope with the contrast of sunlight fitting scene to sensor with two manual flashes can be done very easily by starting with a foundation of enough even shadowless fill to record detail in the shadows on the sensor then overlap key light until the solid white are just below clipping. When you get both ends accurately reproducing the scene the middle will look the same as it does by eye in average light.

Regardless of whether the lights are set by hand metering or using the playback/histogram/clipping warning the screen and print images will only have a full range of tone if the ratio if the scene matches the sensor range and the only way to judge that is look at the results both when shooting and on the computer. Once you test and find the ratio that gets both ends right based in the RAW in the computer you can look at the same file using the playback, histogram, and clipping warning on the camera, slap yourself on the forehead and say, "So that's what a optimally exposed file looks like!"

The advantage of Zucker's identical flash / distance based manual approach I use is that it requires no metering. That's what allowed use to shoot on the run at wedding receptions with two manual flashes and get perfect exposure. If I were shooting weddings today I would use that same method today because it is more predictable than ETTL. But I would still want the option to use ETTL for other situations where there isn't a huge white dress in most of the photos.

Always shooting from 11ft with the key flash at 8ft for a 3:1 ratio might seem to cramp one's style creatively, but with a constant aperture zoom lens like a 24-70mm 2.8 or 24-105 you could shoot just about every shot at a wedding that way and exposure of every shot would be exactly the same.

Because we shot with a fixed FL lens we shot from 16, 11, 8 and 6 feet placing the slave at 11, 8, 6 and 4 feet respectively to maintain the same 3:1 ratio. Those distances were selected because they are the same as full f/stops and easy to remember. The way the inverse-square law works moving camera and key light from 16ft / 11ft closer to 11ft/8th doubled the intensity so as we moved closer we closed the lens a stop to keep exposure the same. It sounds more complicate than it is. After a few times you find the spot, move the light and change the aperture as instinctively as focusing the camera, which was also done manually back then.

As mentioned previously color film had enough latitude that the lab had no problem adjusting for various caused by the ceiling bouncing more or less light or the distances of the lights not being perfect. The main thing to avoid was underexposed shadows you just erred on the side of overexposing.

That's where digital is different. There is no margin for error in exposure. The lighting ratio must match the scene to sensor's range and the highlights must be correctly exposed. So as with any other method of setting exposure with digital you are foolish of you didn't chimp, check for clipping as you shoot, and to correct as necessary.

The thing to take away here is that is you do know the lighting ratio that will match the scene to your camera's DR and use it, then all you need to do is use it and keep the highlights just below clipping to record everything with the same detail you would see by eye if your goal is to record a full range of tone at capture.

What makes it work is using fill and key to control the range. What made it practical at weddings logistically was using the bracket and only one stand and shooting systematically with pre-tested distance - aperture combinations. As for how real world that is? I shot weddings every weekend for two years (the longest two years of my life) and have used that technique ever since successfully.

Fitting scene to print isn't a new thing. That's what made a B&W print look real the difference was that flash wasn't needed to do it outdoors. #2 B&W print paper had a 10 stop density range. That meant to make a print with black shadows and paper white specular highlights the negative, from clear base to highlight needed a density range of 10 x .30 or 3.0. With B&W film and the zone system would measure scene with a spot meter, determine the range, then adjust development so the highlights of the scene had a 3.0 density. The same scene on clear and overcast days would have different f/stop ranges and require different development times create the 3.0 highlights needed for the full range.

Why do I mention this? As background for understanding why flash became necessary outdoors when color film arrived on the scene and started to be used. As late as the 70s some studios were still using B&W be cause color prints were not stable and faded in a few months if exposed to light. But the photographers started using color they discover the range of the prints was much shorter and negative development couldn't be used as with B&W to fit scene to sensor. The scene range needed to be manipulate with flash. Flash had been used outdoors with B&W but color film make using it necessary all the time.

The first type of photography to move to color was movies and the shorter range was one of the factors that moved movie production onto sound stages with elaborately constructed sets to shoot a horse opera rather than just shooting it outdoors because of the need for fill light to handle the contrast. Unlike stills movies need continuos light and a lot of it to balance the sun. It was easier to shoot in the studio and simulate the sun with rim light with a potted plant in front of it.

Color film forced still photographers to make Solomon-like decisions with every outdoor shot. Expose for the highlights and lose the shadows, expose for the shadow detail as they had with B&W or cut the baby in half, get the faces looking "normal" but blowing out the sky and losing the shadows.

The direction of the light became a more critical factor. For example here is a digital shot exposed for the white detail facing west at 11AM....

http://super.nova.org/TP/DR_FlatLight.jpg

Here's the same exposure on the same subject, also exposed to keep the highlights below clipping but turned 180° facing east into the sun in the SE part of the sky...

http://super.nova.org/TP/DR_Backlight.jpg

The DR of the sensor is exactly the same for both so is the exposure criteria (highlight detail) so why does the first look "normal" and the second underexposed?

The difference is perceptional. What seems normal depends on what the brain thinks is most important. You know what a white towel and gray card look like by eye and the first one is a closer match so by comparison it looks "normal".

Without flash what would you do in the second situation? Most would adjust exposure until the foreground in the shade looked normal the way the eyes do when they focus on a backlit face or object. The brain ignores the fact the eyes are blowing out the highlights and shadows because it remembers seeing the overall scene as normal, more like the first shot.

That was an ETTL-II HSS test and I was shooting a f/2.8 in Av mode to see how what camera metering at the default EC=0 and FEC=0 would do and what was needed to correct it to get a full range of tone on the target in the foreground. To get the second backlit shot below clipping in the towel I had to dial in - 2 EC. The EC=0 shot was lighter and more normal looking overall, but my goal in the test was not to blow the sunny highlights with the ambient.

What is interesting to grasp in that test is that the TTL metering, left to find the best ambient only exposure for that scene on it own, would expose as I would without flash manually based on what I saw in the playback making faces and other midtones look "normal" despite knowing it would blow the highlights.

This is what I got when I reached up and turned on the 580ex, used direct, in HSS mode at FEC= 0:

http://super.nova.org/TP/DR_FlashFill.jpg

The background is as underexposed as in the second ambient only shot, but the foreground just in range of the HSS mode flash 10ft away when measured separately with Levels has a fit range to sensor histogram...

http://super.nova.org/TP/DR_FillHisto.jpg

While the test was done in HSS mode to test range, the more important knowledge I gained from that systematic test from the baseline of ambient only shots was how the ETTl-II metering that controls the flash works, and how to make it work predictable. The key factor it turned out was what I had been doing all along because I don't like blown highlights in my photos: start by controlling ambient and keep the highlights under clipping. The second key factor is something I also always do when shooting with flash KEEP THE SUN OFF THE FRONT SIDE THE FLASH HITS.

Both are common sense if you think about it. If you start with ambient clipping highlights — what TTL metering will do by default — it will look better before flash is added but after you add the flash to lift the shadows a bit more you'll wind up with a normal face and blown highlights where the sun hits. To get a normal looking face on the shaded side and not blow the highlights where the sun hits you need to start with the highlights below clipping. Then you need to avoid clipping them with flash by overlapping flash and sun by keeping sun off the front.

If you use the sun as "key" light to model the face then try to add flash to get rid of the dark shadows on the nose and eye sockets you can't add flash to the shadows without also adding it to the highlights. With normal non HSS flash you quickly hit the sync limit (e.g. 1/250th). If you start at f/11 @ 1/250th and have the cheek exposed perfectly with just the ambient, then start adding flash over the highlights you must start closing down the aperture more to prevent clipping.

Here's what happens numerically. Without flash the incident ratio of sunny 16 / shady 5.6 on cheek and nose shadow is 3 stops or 8x greater in the highlights 8:1

H:S
8:1 cheek:shaded eye sockets

What happens to the ratio when you add flash 1/4 the intensity of the sun (i.e. 2 units)?

H:S
8:1 cheek:shaded eye sockets (ambient)
2:2 fill flash 1/2 the intensity of the sun
==
10:3 = 3.3:1

Adding flash is 1/2 the strength of the sun (i.e. 4 units) it hits both cheeks and shadows equally...

H:S
8:1 cheek:shaded eye sockets (ambient)
4:4 fill flash 1/2 the intensity of the sun
==
12:5 = 2.4 : 1

How lets stay you raise flash equal to the sun

H:S
8:1 cheek:shaded eye sockets (ambient)
8:8 fill flash 1/2 the intensity of the sun
==
16:9 1.7:1

or overpower it by 1 stop (i.e. 16 units)

H:S
8:1 cheek:shaded eye sockets (ambient)
16:16 fill flash 1/2 the intensity of the sun
==
24:17 = 1.4:1

The more flash power you add with a single fill flash the more it overpowers the ambient and lowers the net lighting ratio. By the time you add enough flash into the eye sockets and nose shadow to make them look "normal" the over look of the face is flat because most of the natural modeling has been cancelled. But because the eye sockets starting shaded and darker than the cheeks will still always be darker than the cheeks and forehead no matter how much flash is added if it hits cheeks and eyes equally. The eyes only look better and more normal because the flash adds the sparkle of catchlights.

That type of flat lighting became the "new normal" for flash assisted color photography because the cause and effect wasn't clearly understood. I didn't understand it myself until I started experimenting and thinking about the results I was seeing and what was causing them. That in turn lead me towards techniques with solve the problem

The solution? Find ways to fit the scene to the sensor on the flash lit foreground AND make the results look natural. The clues how to do that are found back in the studio.

Putting subject's back to the sun outdoors is exactly the same as using a hair light in the studio. Set it just below clipping where it hits, then on the front of the face add even fill until the shadow detail in dark clothing (groom's suit) is revealed, then overlap the key light until the white highlights (shirt collar / bride's dress) are just below clipping....

http://super.nova.org/TP/WhiteBGTowelCard1ZS.jpg

Outdoors in backlight if you do the same thing, back to the sun, keeping the sunny highlights below clipping you get this...

http://super.nova.org/TP/HSS/_MG_5034_Zones.jpg

Add one flash and it will adjust the exposure so it looks normal but kill the modeling of the natural light...

http://super.nova.org/TP/HSS/_MG_5026.jpg

What is missing? The natural modeling because the flash cancels the modeling of the skylight.

How to recreate the modeling? The same way as indoors with an off axis key light.

First pose the face into the skylight as if it were your "key" light. Skylight isn't "Flat" it is always downward and depending where the sun is in the sky in back one part of the sky can be brighter than the other. Clouds and haze will affect this so you just need to move the face around and observe to see the difference. Watch the both sides of the nose and eyes for the shadows and where they fall.

Then simply your second flash as key light at the same angle the skylight is hitting the face. For butterfly / full face aim nose directly into the natural light center the flash. For oblique / short light turn face 45° to the light and shoot into the shaded side, putting the flash at the same 45° angle relative to the nose...

http://super.nova.org/TP/HSS/_MG_5035_Cropped.jpg

The flash assisted lighting winds up looking "normal" because the key and fill flash allow the scene to match the sensor in on the flash lit foreground. The lighting winds up looking more natural than a single flash shot because natural light and flash key light hit the face at the same angle. The flash is complementing the natural lighting, not fighting it.

That's a different approach than "How can I overpower the sun with my flash" and one that starts with knowing how to pose a face to the natural light in a flattering way. That's one of the reasons I also suggest photographer experiment and learn with a window and reflector first before throwing money at a problem they don't understand.

As for ETTL vs. Manual?

Regardless of whether you choose to set ratios them with a meter and manual flash or ETTL ratios only one will match the black suit and white dress to the sensor. Just as with manual ratio with ETTL you'll need to test and find which one does that also.

When looking at this shot with a 3:1 ratio set by distance it looks unremarkable and uncreative but accurately captures what he normally looks like because it fits scene to sensor.
http://super.nova.org/TP/TowelGary.jpg

If shooting the same photo with ETTL A:B ratios I would have used A:B =1:2 Key light 2x stronger

H:S
1:1 A group is fill from bracket even on entire scene
2:0 B group is key light creating highlights over fill
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3:1 Reflected ratio is the same as when set manually with key 2x brighter than fill.

The day after I got my flashes I did this test series to see what the ETTL ratios actually looked like.
http://super.nova.org/TP/CanonRatioTest.jpg

I find in most situations A:B = 1:2 fits scene to sensor. So when I shoot with ETTL I start with 1:2 and adjust FEC until highlights are correct. That fits scene to sensor, my definition of technically correct exposure because it uses the full DR of the camera.

How does these two shots look different in terms of "hard" and "soft" light and why?

http://super.nova.org/TP/TowelGaryLighter.jpg
http://super.nova.org/TP/TowelGary.jpg

It is the same file with a middle slider tweek in Levels. The DR captured by the camera didn't change and the extreme highlight and shadows didn't change. All that changed were the middle tones. Moving the middle slider makes them lighter and the perceptional impression is that the lighting is "softer" than the 3:1 baseline.

I learned that happens nearly 40 years ago. After working for Zucker learning to light faces in photos I spend the next four years working in the photo labs at National Geographic reproducing photos and adjusting them for optimal reproduction when printed in much the same way — manipulating the mid tones to change the brain's perception of what is there.

Perception is of contrast in a lighting pattern is also affected by context. The same photo will seem different perceptually depending the background surrounding it because brain calibrates perception to the overall field of view.

http://super.nova.org/TP/TowelGaryWhiteMat.jpg
http://super.nova.org/TP/TowelGaryBlackMat.jpg

But something else I came to realize by shooting mostly candids, not studio work in the same room all the time, is that a 3:1 ratio in big room will not look the same as a 3:1 in a small room where the key and fill are bouncing off ceiling and walls more.

What difference does the room make? With same incident readings there will be more fill in a small reflective room because the light not hitting the subject directly will bounce creating a "wrap around" fill effect not seen in the larger space or one covered with black drapes. When big modifiers are used in small spaces most of the "wrap" comes from: the 50% of the light that is hitting everywhere other than the subject and bouncing back in all directions. In a small space like my basement studio I can fill it with even light by using one bare bulb flash. Below did that with a rim light to show a furniture maker how to light it for a white background catalog with only the two Alien Bees he owned:

http://super.nova.org/TP/table/Setup.jpg
http://super.nova.org/TP/table/Table04.jpg

I didn't meter the lights because the incident ratio wouldn't predict results. I adjusted the bare bulb flash based on shadow detail and the back rim light based on highlight clipping.

The more I experimented with both my speed lights and studio lights the more came to realize that setting ratios with an incident meter while an effective way to precisely control the intensity of the lights didn't predict how the resulting ratio would look like perceptually on white and dark backgrounds, or with different amounts of bouncing, wrapping spill fill. For example a 3:1 ratio, set by meter looks "normal" for a face on a dark background, but that same ratio looks too dark and heavy on a white one.

My approach changed from "by the numbers" via metered ratios to starting from a baseline of first fitting range to sensor, looking at that, then adjusting perceptually based on the mood I wanted the lighting to project in the image. The camera playback doesn't accurately depict what is in the RAW file, but by systematically testing and comparing one with the other I trained my brain to understand what was happening in the RAW by interpreting the playback, histogram, and clipping warning.

Digital gave me new tools for measuring and controlling the final results I wanted. I found the best ways to use them for my workflow and in the process concluded the old tool — incident meter — wasn't really necessary in my workflow. When I did meter I would still wind up adjusting perceptually due to all the variables the meter can't measure anyway so the metering was redundant.

I use the same baseline method with ETTL ratios. I start with A:B = 1:2 most of the time because I know it matches scene to sensor. Then from the baseline of that "normal" looking full tonal range I decide whether to deviate from "normal" by changing the A:B ratio. But making face shadows darker globally with an A:B = 1:4 ratio with less fill will result in loss of detail in dark clothing. Making shadows lighter globally with more fill using an A:B = 1:1 will make the shadows gray affecting perception of the overall tonal range.

What Photoshop allows me to do is shoot "normal" for a full tonal then selectively adjust tones in the middle in the same way I dodged and burned prints in the darkroom. But instead of using the dodge and burn tools in PS I use adjustment layers as shown in this tutorial:
http://photo.nova.org/AdjustmentLayers/ and other method locally in specific areas of the photo, not just globally with the tools like Levels or Curves.

Using that approach I find ETTL ratios more convenient and use them most of the time. It's just a matter of keeping the highlights below clipping and everything else falls in to place more or less automatically at capture providing a file with detail everywhere I can adjust to match the result I pre-visualized at capture like I did 40 years ago with B&W and a darkroom.

There's more to my overall approach that is evident in the examples I post, but it's all explained on my web site for those interested enough to read the tutorials and grasp 100% of the way I do things


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Jan 19, 2012 at 12:15 PM
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Thank you again, Charles. A lot to go over. Can you check your URL of the adjustment/layers? I cannot get the page to open.


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williamkazak wrote:
Thank you again, Charles. A lot to go over. Can you check your URL of the adjustment/layers? I cannot get the page to open.


Fixed that and did some additional editing...

And yes Doug I use Wikipedia as reference for fact checking so I don't make errors like I did with the reference to "slapstick" comedy awhile back you called me out on. Feel free to add something constructive to the discussion and photo or two showing how you do things differently / better.





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cgardner wrote:
Feel free to add something constructive to the discussion.

I did. First response. Calling David Hobby a neo-Luddite is hardly constructive.

The Strobist philosophy, or whatever it is, has some thoughts that have merit. Under certain circumstances that philosophy can be useful. In other situations, more conventional studio strobes might better fit the job. I use the tools I think will help me accomplish what I'm after. I'm not a fanboy of any philosophy or equipment.

I agree agree with the OP, that sometimes adherence to an idea or particular photographer can get pretty silly. If only he could see the irony.



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