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atran wrote:
denoir wrote:
Sagittal is in the radial direction towards the center of the image. Tangential is the same orientation as a tangent to a circle around the image the image. It's not horizontal and vertical - it uses a polar coordinate system.
Could you give an illustration or something? I am quite confused because I remember when I was in school, the polar coordination system is defined by distance between points and an angle (azimuth)

Zeiss has made a good illustration:

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The blue lines are in the sagittal (radial) direction while the black ones are in the tangential direction (along the tangent of the circle). So the blur at a given point will be defined by a distance and an angle - hence polar

Dec 09, 2011 at 03:19 AM

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philip_pj wrote:
If you have one, maybe run off a shot of something planar and look at the outer half of the frame, anywhere after 150mm will do, anywhere from wide open to f8. A row of trees with fine branches, 90 degrees to the lens axis would do fine. In good light, this is a tough test for edges/corners definition. CA also, of course.
Here is one I posted awhile back, it is at ~117mm though.

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Dec 09, 2011 at 03:23 AM

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"Middle far left", the _red_ square shows the position of the crops in _my_ images. So what I wrote applies to my images, not to the Universe in general. Sorry for the confusion.

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Dec 09, 2011 at 06:26 AM

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douglasf13 wrote:
Hi. In the past, you've mentioned that Leica really isn't using an exceptionally thin IR filter on the M9. Do you know what Leica is doing to preserve sharpness at the edges? Does it mostly come down to the lack of an AA filter? Thanks.

Yes, the impact on both CA and astigmatism is down to the TOTAL thickness of the filter package, and the AA-filter is a rather large part of this. How the separation of the filter into two separate stacks (one on the sensor surface and one outer layer coupled to a "dust-off" vibrator) that most cameras use impact this I actually haven't given much thought. It might lower CA and increase astigmatism.

My complaints about the usual Leica corporate sales hype was that an "extra thin IR filter" is definitely NOT the reason why their filterstack is pretty thin, quite the other way around. They use a sub-par quality IR material, the least effective (and cheapest...) material of any manufacturer that I know of. Other manufacturers use thinner, more expensive filters, with better filtering properties. How does this translate into Leica saying: -"We use new, thinner IR filters"? Well, compared to their older, even cheaper constructions it may be true - but not in a general sense they use the words.

It's kind of like the new camera in the iPhone 4, where they use the "revolutionary new hybrid IR filters" to improve quality. *Cough*. Most other (even low-end) manufacturer has been doing this since 2004. Most camera manufacturers have been doing this since the Nikon D100. This "revolutionary" type of hot-mirror / absorbent filter has been used in similar filterstacks in various scientific applications since the early 70's

It's all about the high-strung wording, and having an intended audience that will bend over and believe any blurb the [favourite brand] publishes.

Dec 09, 2011 at 06:50 AM

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theSuede wrote:
douglasf13 wrote:
Hi. In the past, you've mentioned that Leica really isn't using an exceptionally thin IR filter on the M9. Do you know what Leica is doing to preserve sharpness at the edges? Does it mostly come down to the lack of an AA filter? Thanks.

Yes, the impact on both CA and astigmatism is down to the TOTAL thickness of the filter package, and the AA-filter is a rather large part of this. How the separation of the filter into two separate stacks (one on the sensor surface and one outer layer coupled to a "dust-off" vibrator) that most cameras use impact this I actually haven't given much thought. It might lower CA and increase astigmatism.

My complaints about the usual Leica corporate sales hype was that an "extra thin IR filter" is definitely NOT the reason why their filterstack is pretty thin, quite the other way around. They use a sub-par quality IR material, the least effective (and cheapest...) material of any manufacturer that I know of. Other manufacturers use thinner, more expensive filters, with better filtering properties. How does this translate into Leica saying: -"We use new, thinner IR filters"? Well, compared to their older, even cheaper constructions it may be true - but not in a general sense they use the words.

It's kind of like the new camera in the iPhone 4, where they use the "revolutionary new hybrid IR filters" to improve quality. *Cough*. Most other (even low-end) manufacturer has been doing this since 2004. Most camera manufacturers have been doing this since the Nikon D100. This "revolutionary" type of hot-mirror / absorbent filter has been used in similar filterstacks in various scientific applications since the early 70's

It's all about the high-strung wording, and having an intended audience that will bend over and believe any blurb the [favourite brand] publishes.

Thanks. It sounds like it's high time for the mirrorless camera companies to get rid of the AA filter for this reason, if nothing else.

Dec 12, 2011 at 06:04 AM

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