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p.1 #1 · D700 with AIS Glass


So I have this 50mm 1.4 lens that resides on an old Nikkormat body that acts as decoration in my living room (among others) and I am constantly reading many posts here, and finding myself impressed with the quality of the images some of the AIS Nikkor lenses produce for many of you, so I put this one on my D700 and immediately started scratching my head. I know it's fully manual. I set the aperture on the lens at f/5.6, but when I mounted it, the camera reported f/1.4. I thought the tab that resides on the outside of the mount ring was designed to follow the tab that is mounted to the aperture ring on the lens in order to report the position of the diaphragm. Is this not correct? Also, and this might just be an an issue with this lens (the front glass element might be an indicator) but once mounted, it is impossible to turn the aperture ring.

Any tips on how to use these lenses with the D700 before I decide to start looking to pick some up?

Thanks,

Greg







Dec 02, 2011 at 06:20 PM
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p.1 #2 · D700 with AIS Glass


Did you enter it's max aperture into the custom lenses menu like the manual says?


Dec 02, 2011 at 06:29 PM
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p.1 #3 · D700 with AIS Glass


That lens looks like a non-AI lens(unless it's converted). Non-AI lens can damage your d700. Upload a picture of the rear end of the lens if you can.


Dec 02, 2011 at 06:39 PM
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p.1 #4 · D700 with AIS Glass


raboof wrote:
That lens looks like a non-AI lens(unless it's converted). Non-AI lens can damage your d700. Upload a picture of the rear end of the lens if you can.


Here is the rear of the lens....









Dec 02, 2011 at 06:50 PM
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p.1 #5 · D700 with AIS Glass


Mark_L wrote:
Did you enter it's max aperture into the custom lenses menu like the manual says?


Yep!



Dec 02, 2011 at 06:51 PM
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p.1 #6 · D700 with AIS Glass


It does not look like it's converted. I would not mount it on your d700.

http://kpixel.com/wp/tag/nikkor-ai-conversion/



Dec 02, 2011 at 07:50 PM
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p.1 #7 · D700 with AIS Glass


raboof wrote:
It does not look like it's converted. I would not mount it on your d700.

http://kpixel.com/wp/tag/nikkor-ai-conversion/


Thanks for the heads up. I had it mounted, so hopefully nothing broke! I'm not up on the manual focus glass, so I thought the "A" designated it as AIS....much to learn!

Greg



Dec 02, 2011 at 07:56 PM
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p.1 #8 · D700 with AIS Glass


Hi Greg

That looks like a lovely lens and it can be converted at reasonable cost. Just Google Ai conversion.

To see what fun some of us are having with the old lenses, join us at http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/929565/482 - we'd love to see some of your flowers.

This site is good to establish whether your MF glass is Ai or Ai -s each of which is compatible with your D700 http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html and this one gives the low down on the differences http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/nikonfmount/aiais.htm. Here's one person who does the conversions http://www.aiconversions.com/ . I know nothing about him but it's a start.

Hope this helps a bit - it's easier in the US to get these things done.

All the best

Peter



Dec 02, 2011 at 08:08 PM
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p.1 #9 · D700 with AIS Glass


When a lens is converted to ai-s a portion on the lens body is removed to allow aperture indexing on the camera. The notch catches the pin on the camera and it rotates with the lens.It is much like the prong on older Nikon cameras. It tells the camera what F-stop you are using. As shown in this photo




Dec 02, 2011 at 08:13 PM
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p.1 #10 · D700 with AIS Glass


MDoc9523 wrote:

When a lens is converted to ai-s a portion on the lens body is removed to allow aperture indexing on the camera. It tells the camera what F-stop you are using. As shown in this photo

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/mdoc9523/DSC_8766.jpg


Thanks! I sure hope I didn't damage anything by mounting it...I don't think so. Anyway, this lens is kind of past it's "prime" with the front glass all scratched up. I ended up with it because my wife's sister left it behind...I'll be checking the B&S boards frequently!

Greg



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Oosty wrote:
Hi Greg

That looks like a lovely lens and it can be converted at reasonable cost. Just Google Ai conversion.

To see what fun some of us are having with the old lenses, join us at http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/929565/482 - we'd love to see some of your flowers.

This site is good to establish whether your MF glass is Ai or Ai -s each of which is compatible with your D700 http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html and this one gives the low down on the differences http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/nikonfmount/aiais.htm. Here's one person who does the conversions http://www.aiconversions.com/ . I know nothing about him but it's a start.

Hope this helps a bit
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Thanks Peter! I think I'm going to just look for a couple of Ais lenses to purchase to get me started and see where it takes me! Based on what I've seen on the thread you linked, I should be able to get some pretty good floral shots with a quality that isn't evident in my current lens line up!

All the best!

Greg



Dec 02, 2011 at 08:22 PM
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p.1 #12 · D700 with AIS Glass


gregfountain wrote:


Thanks! I sure hope I didn't damage anything by mounting it...I don't think so.



some bodies will let you physically mount those lenses (my D40 did allow it, my D90 and D7000 do not). You would notice it as a mechanical issue and it is unlikely you would go beyond that point. What happens when the non-AI lens actually mounts is that the camera does not know what aperture you have selected, so all metering is manual trial and error.



Dec 02, 2011 at 09:03 PM
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p.1 #13 · D700 with AIS Glass


Hey Greg,

let me give you an advance warning: there's this phenomenon called NMFAS, short for "nikon manual focus addiction syndrome." It's sort of like the old TV ad about MIkey, you may remember it: "You can't eat just one" Indeed, when the MF bug hits you, the only known cure is to collect more MF lenses

Seriously, sir, you'll enjoy your experience with these lenses as so many of us on the MF board do. Please do show up over there and post your pictures. We are a very welcoming audience, and it is one of the very, very, very few boards where commentary doesn't degenerate into political, religious, ideological conflict amongst various members of the board

hth, tony



Dec 02, 2011 at 09:07 PM
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p.1 #14 · D700 with AIS Glass


The Ais lenses were built to wonderful standards. They have many fans. Certain Ais lenses have attained "cult status" because they are so well respected for their pictorial results.


Dec 02, 2011 at 09:07 PM
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p.1 #15 · D700 with AIS Glass


I am glad this got worked out and I was going to suggest the same non-ai conversion path.

BTW if you are lookibg at a MF 50 I would just go for gold and get the 50 1.2. It is worth it in that it is 1.2 and from a creative standpoint you do not have any other nikon tool like it. It is also a GREAT performer and as close as you can get to a Noct without dropping a huge amount of cash. They come up from time to time on the boards. I myself use the 55 1.2 as it has a very unique render I find to be fun.

Some links to MF resources that have been very informative to me:

http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_surv.html

http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/serialno.html

And I know all to well to take what KR says with a grain of salt and his self promotion is endless but he has invested a ton of time in his lens reviews and they can sometimes be helpful:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/nikkor.htm#mf

Brad



Dec 02, 2011 at 09:21 PM
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p.1 #16 · D700 with AIS Glass


A friend of mine had a similar experience with his D7000 and a NAI 55mm f3.5. He asked me why the aperture readout didn't seem right and of course I went 'Noooo.... take it off!'. He did and his D7000 is fine... no permanent damage.

Anyway... live and learn as you said but I just wanted to say your D700 should be fine, I don't think you would have damaged it permanently from that encounter.



Dec 02, 2011 at 09:53 PM
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p.1 #17 · D700 with AIS Glass


It makes me smile that so many of the folks hanging out on the Manual Focus Nikon Glass thread are contributing to this conversation. That is where so many of those with deep affection for these lenses are hanging out... and there are lots of folks from all over the world who enjoy the experience of turning a focus ring with the fingers of their left hand. You've been given some great resources should you decide to pursue this a bit farther.

Your instinct to mount that lens was a good one since Nikon kept its mount when Canon changed theirs in 1989, so unlike Canon, Nikon still is able to mount these great old lenses. But some of the older lenses require modification to work properly and to not cause damage. That said, any MF lens designated AI or AI-s will not only mount without difficulty, it will perform beautifully. Like many folks who've explored these great old lenses that can often be bought for amazingly low prices, I've never had so much fun with photography than I am right now.

Explore a bit and if this adventure stirs your juices, drop in on the MFNG thread and tell us what's going on. We're having great fun!



Dec 02, 2011 at 09:55 PM
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p.1 #18 · D700 with AIS Glass


Thanks for all the great feedback! As soon as I find one of these gems, I'll gets some shots and start plastering the MFNG board! Just kidding! I'll look forward to contributing! Now I'm off to an art show and perhaps while I sit there and watch people pass judgement on my photography, I'll scan the boards for some Ais glass!

Peace!

Greg



Dec 02, 2011 at 10:12 PM
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p.1 #19 · D700 with AIS Glass


Okay, got a bid on a 28 f2.8 Ais on SleezeBay. Wish me luck! Saw some 50 1.2's there as well, but man are they pricey!

Anyone use the 85 f/1.4 Ais?



Dec 02, 2011 at 11:19 PM
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p.1 #20 · D700 with AIS Glass


yep, I've got one; it's pretty doggone good, but it ain't cheap



Dec 02, 2011 at 11:21 PM
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