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Jason B.
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p.1 #1 · May not be the proper place but..


Hello everyone, I am new to these forums but have been a lurker for a week or so.
From what I have read everyone here is pretty sharp on equipment. I have a question
for you all. This has been asked time and time again im sure but any advice would be appreciated. I am about to step off into the Dslr world and need some help. I have narrowed
my choices down to two brands im sure its no suprise they are canon and nikon. The four models are canon EOS 30d or rebel Xti and nikon D40x or D80. I have tried to educate myself all I can on the terms and pros and cons of each model. I have unusually large hands therefore the 30d and both nikons feel better but a battery pack can be bought for the Xti that I think would help alot. My main purpose for the camera will be my new daughter arriving soon. I think I would enjoy macro work in the future also. I am not really on a budget
however I would like to keep it between these 4 due to overkill purposes. Lets assume I will have 3 lenses in my bag a everyday use, telephoto and macro lens. Could someone please
shoot me some advice in making a choice from their experiance. I really love the feel of the 30d but is it dated tech.? Would the Xti suit me fine even though a battery pack would almost pay for a D80? Would the D40x be more than my needs. Just need some help getting over the hump that the 30D and D80 are worth the extra even though it will be some time before I fully take advantege of the features. Thanks guys



Dec 25, 2007 at 10:28 PM
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I can't really speak to the Nikons, as I own Canon. I have absolutely no doubt that the Nikons would be fine cameras, however. What I will tell you is that my first dslr was the old Canon 300D Rebel. All the cameras you mentioned are significantly better than my old Rebel, still I loved that camera and took tons of photos with it. My daughter still uses it and gets great shots with it. My point is that any of the cameras will do just fine. Personally, though, if I was buying one of those cameras and money was not really an issue I would get the 30D (or the 40D). The XTi will take just as good photos, but I have handled one and greatly prefer the handling of my 20D (predecessor to the 30D) to it. I like the two wheels to change setting and the way menu system it has over the XTi menu system. I also find the 20D viewfinder brighter and better.

It would also be good to budget money for a nice flash and/or a nice fast lens such as the Canon 85 1.8 for available light shots of your new baby. You should also consider the Canon 50 1.8 as it is very inexpensive and does a fine job. In fact, if the main reason for the camera is the new baby, you can wait on the telephoto and macro lenses and get a good zoom and a fast prime and a flash first.

Have fun and congrats on the addition to your family.




Dec 25, 2007 at 10:56 PM
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Welcome to FM!!. First up I would STRONGLY suggest you go to a store and handle your short list of cameras. There are many reasons why people go with canon/nikon (or pentax oly etc etc). Things like lens selection and tech but at least you'll be able to get rid of the ergonomics issue. Personaly nikon and canons handle very very diferently. Specifically speaking if money is no object then i would definatly go with either a nikon D80 or canon 30D. Stear clear of the XTi and D40x. Both are great cameras but are certainly not designed for large hands. I have a hard time getting my fingers in to the gap between the grip and lens mount on my friends XTi. Adding a vertical grip will not help if your fingers are too big to properly grip the camera. As to which one to choose, well again you have to decide that


Dec 25, 2007 at 11:52 PM
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Hello! I agree with the above posters. HOLD THE CAMERAS first. If you dont like the ergonomics you wont use them.

As far as "dated technology" theres no such thing in the camera world really. You cant hold up a 30d pic and a 40d pic and tell which camera shot which. There is also no such thing as "overkill" in cameras. Some people may tell you to get an Xti as a "starter camera' and work your way up. I myself think its bad advice cause why buy twice? Not to mention most people agree the 30D has WAAAY better ergonomics.

As for the nikons I would stay away from the d40, go with the d80 if you go that route.

As for lenses what I would say is macro: most people really like the 100mm macro from canon.

telephoto: depends if your shooting lowlight or not or how far you want. Alot of people go with the 70-200 f4 or 70-200 f2.8.

Walk around lens: Either the 50mm 1.4 for low light or the 24-70 2.8L (my personal favorite)

I would say the vertical grip is one of the best things to buy with a camera. They just feel nicer with the grip on. Chances are though the store you go to will not have one availble for you to put on the camera though...



Dec 26, 2007 at 12:02 AM
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Before you decide on Nikon or Canon, you might want to look at the lens line up. Both companies offer unique lenses that are not available by the other and it really depends on what works for you. Also, you will want to play around the the cameras to see which camera interface works for you. I find that Canon and Nikon bodies are designed quite differently and as far as user interface is concerned, it comes down to personal preference.

As far as the D40x, D80, 30D and XTi goes, the 30D will probably have the best high ISO performance which will allow you to crank up the ISO fairly high with acceptable noise in your images. I'm strictly speaking on the 4 bodies you mentioned and I'm ignoring all the other bodies that are available by both camera companies. I personally own a 30D and find that I can get pretty usable images up to ISO800 with minimal noise reduction while post processing in a RAW editor. Also, I wouldn't consider the 30D to be dated. Yes, it's true that it's pretty much the same as the 20D which has been around for quite a long time, that being said, it still takes amazing quality images that rival some of newer cameras as long as you know its limitations in terms of ISO sensitivity. Yes, it doesn't have 12, 16 or 21 megapixels but I find that as long as you have a good lens and you focus properly and use proper long lens technique (when shooting with a telephoto), I can get very high quality prints up to 13x19+.

For lens selection, once again, it comes down to what works for you. I hear Nikon's 105mm macro is quite nice but you have to see if 105mm will give you enough working distance depending on what you want to shoot. Canon also has a 180mm macro which is also very nice and gives you more working distance. As far as a wide-medium tele zoom for everyday stuff, both Nikon and Canon now offer a 24-70 which is quite useful but you need to take account of the crop factor for each body. On the wide zoom area, Nikon has the 17-35/2.8 which has been a favourite of many nikon shooters and Canon offers the 16-35/2.8mk2 which is quite comparable in quality. Canon also has a 17-40/4 which is much cheaper but still offers very good results at the cost of one stop of light.



Dec 26, 2007 at 12:21 AM
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Welcome to FM.

First of all - go to a local camera shop and hold the cameras in your hand. Ergonomics matter a lot. Play with them, read reviews (www.dpreview.com) and see which ones fit into your budget.

Then comes the fun part - buying lenses. Discussions on which lenses to buy and for what generally happens all the time here, so feel free to shoot like hell with the kit lens and then ask for advice when you reach what you feel are limitations of that lens.

My personal belief is that plus or minus a few things - these cameras are essentially the same. What mattered to me when going through the decision making process is that I had friends with Canon cameras and was able to play with theirs and knowing the Canon name was good and I was comfortable starting the investment. If they had Nikons, then I'd be on the Nikon bandwagon.

Any of those choices will bring you good photos. Have fun and shoot before the addition to the family comes.



Dec 26, 2007 at 12:58 PM
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Another vote for the ergonomics above all, here. I used to shoot Canons, loved 'em. Had to borrow a Nikon for two weeks, everything felt more comfortable to me, switched to Nikons, love 'em. And I've seen the opposite too: so I believe that one brand's design philosophy will fit you better than the other, and you will definitely prefer one over the other. But the only way to know that is by playing with both.

Of course, you can learn to use any gear at all very well indeed, and pros do that all the time. So the comments suggesting you look at the lens line-up are appropriate as well. All I'm saying is that you'll find it easier and quicker to get started, with little experience, with either N or C. Best to pick whichever one you like now.

If budgets are not very tight, definitely the D80 or 30D. Skip the two "starter" cameras, as they are both smaller and feature-limited. Designed for people who cannot afford more, don't want to learn any more, or both. Does not sound like you are their target customer.

Lenses, I'd definitely get the 50 f/1.4 for around $275. Cheap, gorgeous images, and will work well in less lighting. So very appropriate for baby shots. Maybe the 85/1.8 as well, a little more flattering for portraits but you have to be a little farther away and it needs more light.

Macro, both N and C make fantastic 100mm-or-so macros. If budget not a problem, get one of those. If budget is a problem, there are lots of great solutions that are cheaper. Tamron 90, Tokina 100, Sigma 60, and so on. Longer lenses will let you get the same magnification at a longer working distance, so choose a short lens (~60mm) for stuff that holds still and a longer lens (~150-200mm) for stuff that runs away, or bites. The 90-105mm range is a good compromise.

Telephoto, you need to think more about budget and desires. Nikon has a new consumer 70-300 VR that's reputed to be quite good, and I'm sure Canon has the same... so at a low-cost ($400 or so?) level you're easily covered. For the sharpest, best possible images, both companies are justifiably proud of their image-stabilized 70-200 f/2.8 lenses, among the best glass in both line-ups.

Get at least one good flash. Nikon does have a strong edge here, since the wireless control it provides is simply phenomenal. But get used to using "fill flash" to eliminate shadows and harsh contrast in faces, even when shooting in broad daylight. You'll wonder how you ever shot without it before.



Dec 26, 2007 at 02:54 PM
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p.1 #8 · May not be the proper place but..


I am partial to Canon so I can't really give an honest opinion on the Canon vs Nikon. I can however say that with your comment about large hands I would recommend either a 20D or 30D with grip over the xti.

I personally feel that the xti is small and akward and has a cheap build to it. You should be able to find a used 20D or 30D for a good price.



Dec 28, 2007 at 01:46 PM
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p.1 #9 · May not be the proper place but..


The Nikon D80 or the Canon 40D.

I'd plumb for the D80, myself



Dec 28, 2007 at 02:06 PM
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p.1 #10 · May not be the proper place but..


Hey guys, thanks for all the great input. Some good news here right after I finished posting
this message my wifes water broke and we had our little girl. Shes doing good and I will have to wait for a camera till she gets home and settled but I will be back. Thanks again



Dec 28, 2007 at 05:33 PM
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p.1 #11 · May not be the proper place but..


Congrats!!!


Dec 28, 2007 at 05:36 PM
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p.1 #12 · May not be the proper place but..


gbee wrote:
The Nikon D80 or the Canon 40D.

I'd plumb for the D80, myself


Those would be my recommendations above.

I went to a store and handled bodies back in my film days and preferred Canon. I have friends that prefer Nikon. Chances are you will like one over the other. I think you are on the right track with these two brands.



Dec 28, 2007 at 06:01 PM
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p.1 #13 · May not be the proper place but..


I might like how the nikon feels in my hands a little more. I picked up a D300 and it felt great. Rock solid and fit like a glove. But I like the Canon glass more, and the 5D. So Canon it is.


Apr 05, 2008 at 01:29 PM





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