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28mm 1.8 sharpness

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p.1 #1 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

I MA my 28mm 1.8 and want your opinion guys:

This was shot at ISO 100, 1/250 (430EX II), 1.8

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Nov 08, 2009 at 02:33 AM

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p.1 #2 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Mine's sharper than that. I just used it this morning at a botanical conservatory, shot a lot at 1.8 and 2.0 and they came out fantastic.

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:43 AM

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p.1 #3 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

MA = micro adjust?

Also did you focus on the bottle? Because at this range and at that aperture, I believe the DOF is very shallow, so even if you focused on the Snitch, it may off just because he isn't flat like the bottle.

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:48 AM

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p.1 #4 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Looks OOF, I would try again with Manual Focus in Live View. Your MA may not be correct

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:51 AM

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p.1 #5 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Dudewithoutape wrote:
MA = micro adjust?

Also did you focus on the bottle? Because at this range and at that aperture, I believe the DOF is very shallow, so even if you focused on the Snitch, it may off just because he isn't flat like the bottle.

Yep. MA=Micro adjust.
I focused on the bottle but not using the center point. I used the nearest focus point.

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:52 AM

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p.1 #6 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

You can't use autofocus to test for sharpness as it introduces an uncontrolled variable into the mix

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:59 AM

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p.1 #7 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Dawei Ye wrote:
You can't use autofocus to test for sharpness as it introduces an uncontrolled variable into the mix

But, how could I check if the adjust I did is ok if I don't use an autofocus ?

Nov 08, 2009 at 03:09 AM

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p.1 #8 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Dawei Ye wrote:
You can't use autofocus to test for sharpness as it introduces an uncontrolled variable into the mix

Yea you said the same thing with my tests. WE GET IT, you don't like to use AF.

Fact is, when you use your lens, it's being used in AF mode, not MF. So why not test what it does in AF mode?

Nov 08, 2009 at 03:10 AM

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p.1 #9 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Alright... so I redid my tests and see what I've got.

Using the left focus point:

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100% crop using the left focus point:

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Using the center focus point:

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100% crop using the center focus point:

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Nov 08, 2009 at 03:16 AM

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p.1 #10 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

I bought my 28 in here used about a year ago. I compared it to my 85 1.8, and it failed wide open, no contest. Contrast and sharpness was not usable for me. I sent it into Canon for checking, spent around $125, got it back and it's still unusable to me at 1.8. The lens did seem better at 2.0 and up after I got it back. I chalked it up as basically, it's a 2.0 lens now. No problem. If they made it any better, it would probably take away rom their 24 and 35 L sales.

The bokeh is actually pretty nice. Build and focus feel fine to me. Not ready to ditch a mid-range zoom for it though.

Nov 08, 2009 at 03:28 AM

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p.1 #11 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Is this FF or crop? Perhaps your copy just isn't sharp in that area?

It could also be something wrong with that AF point. One way to test if its the lens of the camera AF is to make sure its on the same plane (like the first pic) AF center point on it (half shutter press) and then (I forget the technical point) but move/shift the camera to the right, so that its in the same area as the first shot. I feel stupid, I cannot think of the term right now, OMG.

Edit - Pan? Frame? ugh.
Edit 2 - I realize I have no idea what MA actually does, I mean I have an idea from the term, but my Rebel doesn't have that so, I'm trying to help with very limited knowledge, sorry.

Nov 08, 2009 at 03:59 AM

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p.1 #12 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Dudewithoutape wrote:
Is this FF or crop? Perhaps your copy just isn't sharp in that area?

I thought that if I shoot and recompose, it would be worst because I would move more than choosing the nearest focus where I want to focus and using 1.8, that would affect my focus point (I think...

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I think it's something about the limits of this lens. I've heard that it's not (that) sharp at 1.8 and I wanted to know if my copy falls into the acceptable range. I guess not

I tried several adjustments with micro-adjust and -5 was the one that I had the best results... maybe I'll try it again.

Thanks !

Nov 08, 2009 at 04:10 AM

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p.1 #13 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Which camera is this? Most of the XXD models have "high precision" AF at F2.8 or larger with the center point and normal precision with outer points. The Rebels only have single axis AF sensors on outer points. So basically the center point should be much better than outer points.

Nov 08, 2009 at 04:11 AM

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p.1 #14 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Gochugogi wrote:
Which camera is this? Most of the XXD models have "high precision" AF at F2.8 or larger with the center point and normal precision with outer points. The Rebels only have single axis AF sensors on outer points. So basically the center point should be much better than outer points.

It's a 50D. The test I redid using the center focus is much better than using the outer focus.

Nov 08, 2009 at 04:15 AM

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p.1 #15 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

fmikio wrote:

But, how could I check if the adjust I did is ok if I don't use an autofocus ?

Ok but your thread title clearly says "28 f/1.8 Sharpness" not "AF performance" I'm just saying they are two separate issues and if you wanted to confirm whether your lens was sharp or not - use MF first. THEN do your stuff with MA and whatever. It's important to get the temporal sequencing correct and not fudge about with 2 uncontrolled variables in the same test

Who knows whether the softness is caused by the lens being soft, or being out of focus, or both. At least once you have confirmed sharpness with MF, you can be sure that any softness in AF results is due to AF inaccuracy, rather than lens optical issues

Will Patterson wrote:
Fact is, when you use your lens, it's being used in AF mode, not MF. So why not test what it does in AF mode?

This has nothing to do about how the lens is used in practice. It's about identifying the causal reason why performance is not up to scratch. To do this, you have to eliminate conflicting variables. Otherwise, how can you possibly know whether it is because the lens is not optically up to scratch, or whether an AF intolerance is the reason for the softness?

But...But...you say, "I use my lenses as AF lenses." This is besides the point. Being a wedding photographer like yourself, if you take your lens to canon because you think it's not working well - do you expect Canon to send its technicians to a random Wedding on the weekend to do some test shots using AF in order to check the optical specifications of your lens? hey...is that not how the lens is being used?

The reason MF must be used when testing for lens sharpness is the exact reason why a Tripod is used (to eliminate another factor as a cause (in the tripod's case - motion blur). If you want to test for AF accuracy, then fine, but the topic of the thread is "28mm 1.8 sharpness"

Nov 08, 2009 at 04:17 AM

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p.1 #16 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

The center AF shot looks pretty decent to me.

Nov 08, 2009 at 05:07 AM

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p.1 #17 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Dawei Ye wrote:
fmikio wrote:

But, how could I check if the adjust I did is ok if I don't use an autofocus ?

Ok but your thread title clearly says "28 f/1.8 Sharpness" not "AF performance" I'm just saying they are two separate issues and if you wanted to confirm whether your lens was sharp or not - use MF first. THEN do your stuff with MA and whatever. It's important to get the temporal sequencing correct and not fudge about with 2 uncontrolled variables in the same test

Who knows whether the softness is caused by the lens being soft, or being out of focus, or both. At least once you have confirmed sharpness with MF, you can be sure that any softness in AF results is due to AF inaccuracy, rather than lens optical issues

Will Patterson wrote:
Fact is, when you use your lens, it's being used in AF mode, not MF. So why not test what it does in AF mode?

This has nothing to do about how the lens is used in practice. It's about identifying the causal reason why performance is not up to scratch. To do this, you have to eliminate conflicting variables. Otherwise, how can you possibly know whether it is because the lens is not optically up to scratch, or whether an AF intolerance is the reason for the softness?

But...But...you say, "I use my lenses as AF lenses." This is besides the point. Being a wedding photographer like yourself, if you take your lens to canon because you think it's not working well - do you expect Canon to send its technicians to a random Wedding on the weekend to do some test shots using AF in order to check the optical specifications of your lens? hey...is that not how the lens is being used?

Nov 08, 2009 at 12:23 PM

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p.1 #18 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Will Patterson wrote:what use is a sharp lens if it isn't focusing accurately?

The point is that you'll want to figure out what the problem is in order to take an appropriate action. If the lens isn't sharp at all, then you can just return the lens from where you bought the lens.

But, if the lens is sharp, but doesn't auto focus correctly, then you can micro adjust the lens to your camera or send it to Canon for adjustment.

Each problem requires a different solution.

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:04 PM

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p.1 #19 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

I treat mine as an f/2.0 lens too. At this aperture it is very sharp in the center of the frame, with good contrast and flare resistance. It does soften up outside of the center much more than the 'L' primes. Still, a good lens for candids and reportage.

Here's an example I've posted before shot at f/2.0, full res on a 5D2:

Nov 08, 2009 at 03:30 PM

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p.1 #20 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

I have no problem using mine wide open -

Exif information
Model	Canon EOS-1D Mark II N
Date	2009:11:08 09:41:09
Original date	2009:11:06 23:39:49
Exposure time	1/1250 sec
Focal length	28mm
Focal number	f/1.8
ISO speed	100 ISO
Exposure compensation	0.0

Nov 08, 2009 at 04:01 PM

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p.1 #21 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

also 1.8

Exif information
Model	Canon EOS-1D Mark II N
Date	2009:11:08 11:01:04
Original date	2009:11:07 00:13:46
Exposure time	1/1250 sec
Focal length	28mm
Focal number	f/1.8
ISO speed	400 ISO
Exposure compensation	-0.7

Nov 08, 2009 at 04:05 PM

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p.1 #22 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Ah, yes, recompose, DUH. I feel the center focus shot is very sharp, but the thing is you have to recompose to find out if the lens is sharper further away from the center or if its an AF point problem. Some lenses just need to be stopped down in order to get sharpness through out the frame, center sharpness is easy to obtain in most lenses (even the 18-55 IS is known to be sharp wide open at the center). Thats why you have to recompose. Lets see a shot that way, yeah?

Nov 08, 2009 at 04:15 PM

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p.1 #23 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

Dudewithoutape wrote:
Ah, yes, recompose, DUH. I feel the center focus shot is very sharp, but the thing is you have to recompose to find out if the lens is sharper further away from the center or if its an AF point problem. Some lenses just need to be stopped down in order to get sharpness through out the frame, center sharpness is easy to obtain in most lenses (even the 18-55 IS is known to be sharp wide open at the center). Thats why you have to recompose. Lets see a shot that way, yeah?

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Nov 08, 2009 at 04:23 PM

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p.1 #24 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

I'll try some "in the field" tests with MA set to 0. Having an idea of your nice pictures at 1.8, it will be easier to know if mine is at least acceptable.

Thanks !

Nov 08, 2009 at 05:16 PM

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p.1 #25 · 28mm 1.8 sharpness

So I couldn't go out so decided to run some more tests in my christmas decor.
Again, all those straight out of the body with MA set to 0 and the focus in the Post Office.

@1.8

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@2.0

@2.2

@2.5

@2.8

Nov 08, 2009 at 11:09 PM


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